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this hope radio for the masses headliner

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between July 8 1947 the Army Air Forces

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has announced that applying this has

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been found and is now in the possession

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of the RA change the game changer I

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occasionally think how quickly our

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differences worldwide would vanish if we

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were facing an alien threat from outside

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to black with your host Jimmy Church on

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the game changer radio network and a GRA

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I need your help to get to the year

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with jimmy touch only game change in

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network

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well well well good evening fade to

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this spoke radio it had four top masses

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how you doing good evening everybody

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today's Wednesday December 13th 347 days

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into the new year just 18 days left we

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are live from a bunker somewhere in

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downtown Burbank California and I would

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like to welcome everybody listening all

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around the world all across the United

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States

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hither and thither to and fro back and

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forth up and down east and west north

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and south far and near

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this is fade to black for kjc are the

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game changer Network and K GRA the

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planet I'm your host Jimmy Church what

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is cracking everybody how you doing yeah

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I'm a bachelor for a week had to do

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everything myself today walk the dogs

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feed the dogs right produce phone calls

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email I had to do it all I miss Reed

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already Deanna

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there in Manhattan everybody enjoying

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December in Manhattan who literally

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staying in Central Park and already

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texting me pictures of the amazing pizza

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that they are having for dinner tonight

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and you know it's good it's New York you

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can't be you know there is a that is a

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that is a cannot fail proposition right

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there pizza in New York you have to I

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mean I can't imagine somebody in New

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York messing up a pizza is so bad I mean

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that's it I mean that's it you could

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only make that mistake once you be out

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of business

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the competition is pizza there well the

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competition is food in general but yeah

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so you know and Rita Rita called me a

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little bit ago and goes you know

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remember that pizza place we ate at me

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familia

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and I said yes yes this place dusted

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that is strong strong words I don't know

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if you can just have a best pizza in New

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York maybe different because it's all

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good I've never had a bad pizza in New

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York anyway enough of that they're there

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I'm here you are with us and tonight

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it's whitley strieber and we're gonna

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talk about his new book the afterlife

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revolution he has done it once again

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I'll talk about that in just a bit

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tomorrow night is Fator night open lines

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all night long with Jon Rappoport and

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his no more fake newsroom live followed

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by open lines and that will be tomorrow

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night heading out for the rest of the

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month here next week we just have an

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amazing week lined up and of course it's

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our fourth anniversary or is it the

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fifth it's at the fifth anniversary

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what is the first end of it you know I

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don't know we're starting year five so

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next week would be our fourth

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anniversary that's how that works right

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it's not our fifth you have to complete

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the year to be five so next week is our

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fourth anniversary starting our fifth

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here on the show so we're gonna have a

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special celebration night with that and

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race Hobbs is gonna come in here and

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co-host with me with a bunch of surprise

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guests all night long okay now I do have

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a couple of friends that are here

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tonight and babysitting dogs down the

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hallway I don't want to leave them over

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at the house for six straight hours so

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if you hear funny business it's because

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that's what's going on out there that'll

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be in a residence never happened before

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on the show right we've had little

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puppies in here you know that have

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stopped by two visits over the years but

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never had like the full grown dog

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situation so here we go I got it you

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know that's part of being a bachelor

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right

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yeah it's called leashes and collars so

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that

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and so and then next week coast-to-coast

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the week after that coast-to-coast of

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course christmas is coming up in the new

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years so we've got a very very very busy

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weeks and it's just going to be a fun

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time and then we go straight into New

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Year's and of course we have I I don't

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want to let the invitation I don't want

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the names out okay so if there are

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people listening to this show that may

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be invited to our New Year's shindig

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keep it quiet keep it quiet

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yeah there's a reason for that there's a

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reason the guest list is is private

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that's the first thing the second thing

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well there are surprises that are

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involved on that guest list - but our

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New Year's Eve party is coming up and I

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can not wait and there are a few of you

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out there that have been over to the pad

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over the you know the last I don't know

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how many years where we've had our New

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Year's Eve parties they are no joke and

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I'm looking forward to it tis the season

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right okay let's uh let's get things

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started wit least three breweries here

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tonight the the book is incredible the

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book is absolutely incredible so you can

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go to Amazon you can go over to a Jimmy

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turnitin.com you click you can go and

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get the book I highly highly highly

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suggest it you can follow me on twitter

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at GH radio Facebook YouTube everything

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is fade to black and go do that now over

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on the website

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Jimmy Church radio calm and click the

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sandbox is hashtag F to be on Twitter we

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don't bite come and hang out with us

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okay come and hang out others we do now

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tonight I'm wondering nine I don't think

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Rita's gonna check in tonight in Twitter

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there in Manhattan how it's just

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thinking it's it's gonna be kind of

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strange who is going to run things

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tonight who is going to run things do I

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need to give people password permissions

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somebody's gotta babysit I didn't even

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think about that

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when the cat's away the kids come out to

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play all right any questions or comments

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during the show just use hashtag if to

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be queue you can also email throughout

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the show tonight

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which means they'll be coming in

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directly to me unfiltered Jimmy at Jimmy

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Church radio.com yeah feels a little bit

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weird I don't have messenger open so I

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don't have that I'm just it's weird you

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know she's Rita's not in Twitter Manning

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things and tweeting and not hanging out

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in the chat rooms not telling me what to

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do Wow

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it's kind of cool all right our next

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lineup of speakers for Awakening and

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consciousness there is all year long and

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banner it is right there check out all

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of the festivities I'll be hosting the

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my panelists my guests are Linda Moulton

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Howe David Wilcock Corey Goode Jay

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Widener and William Henry and we will be

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doing a very cool tribute for Jim Mars

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and there you go so that'll be Friday

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night so come and hang out with this

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throat did you guys see the picture I

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just posted over on Facebook a go over

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to my facebook page and check out that

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picture now this picture was taken two

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years ago let's see here can i if i copy

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this and i go back over to TweetDeck and

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i post this and then i just - hashtag f

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to be hashtag f to be or hashtag a GRA

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there's my facebook page okay so check

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out the picture that I posted over there

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picture was taken two years ago it's a

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selfie Roger gluten took in he's uh

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played Louis's producer right well this

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is in Roswell this is the hotel and

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right it just had was just by the luck

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Clyde Lewis and myself and Rita we were

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staying across the hall from each other

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literally like you walked out my door

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and there was Clyde across the hall and

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then Roger Clutton was staying there too

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as well his producer next door and then

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also next door to us was Ron Patton so

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right and cool selfie there's the whole

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gang and we do this in the hallway but

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check out in the background right behind

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me there's a Clyde's executive producer

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right there Ron Patton and if you look

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really closely you can see that Ron is

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photobombing wearing plaid boxers it's a

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go ahead pollute TweetDeck with us right

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now I will thank you I will retweet this

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right now that is so deserving of a

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retweet all right where I'm at you can

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become a fader not to just go over to

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whatever you'd like to do you can do

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you can do that for free get the bunker

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to our membership section right there at

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Jimmy Trudeau calm and visit all of our

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sponsored is it is the season right it's

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the holidays so why don't you give

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somebody some life change tea alright a

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River moon coffee fade to black blend

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ain't think about that new manna food

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that fun stuff are right there in the

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banners over two meters radio calm all

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right let's get this show crackin I've

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got something in my throat and that

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plagues radio guys from time to time tv2

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where you get that thing and you can't

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get rid of it no matter what right you

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just can't the only thing that'll do it

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is a River moon coffee

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fade to black blend happy birthday to

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today Tom DeLonge Tom DeLonge 29 years

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old yeah no he's nine he's 42 but I just

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did the tweet I said that he was 29 Tom

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DeLonge today is 42 happy birthday Tom I

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doubt that he's listening to the show

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tonight he better not be it's his

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birthday

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also today steve buscemi is 60 man I

273
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can't believe that Ted Nugent today is

274
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69 man I got to tell you double live

275
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gonzo that album no matter what you

276
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think about Ted today it is is

277
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outspokenness and it's hunting and

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everything else no matter what that

279
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album double live gonzo changed things

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it's an album that I listened to today

281
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it's an amazing record and I cannot

282
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believe that dude is 69 years old next

283
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year

284
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he's Ted Nugent is gonna be 70 oh man I

285
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don't know where the word

286
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was gone have no idea on this day in

287
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history OTD 2003 saw this live on TV

288
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I'll never forget this after spending

289
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nine months on the run former Iraqi

290
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dictator Saddam Hussein is captured in a

291
00:14:56,920 --> 00:14:55,010
rabbit hole on this day in 2003 rumor

292
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has it he had a whole porn stash down

293
00:15:03,120 --> 00:14:59,810
there too as well and he had a porn

294
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stash and he had a porn stash mustache

295
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yeah Haider fact redbull was originally

296
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called oh you know what don't don't

297
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cheat don't cheat who knows the original

298
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name of Red Bull let me see a pop up

299
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here in Twitter don't don't google it if

300
00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:25,850
you google it I'll know it okay because

301
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you'll get it right you can take some

302
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guesses but who knows who knows I just I

303
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don't have a way of verifying the

304
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original name of Red Bull let's see who

305
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can bust that one out tonight yeah

306
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double live gods are right there that's

307
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the record double live gonzo man

308
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hibernation Great White Buffalo alright

309
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let's see who's got this sup know it

310
00:16:02,250 --> 00:16:01,310
wasn't called sup who's got oh that's

311
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funny

312
00:16:10,780 --> 00:16:07,310
that's good let's see nobody's got it

313
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Red Wings good good guess John good

314
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guess

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wait till you hear what it really is and

316
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then you'll understand good guess

317
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red water buffalo that's right now

318
00:16:36,790 --> 00:16:33,530
remember what I just said Ted Newton

319
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double of gonzo right Great White

320
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Buffalo how you know in the the world is

321
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is is trippy man the universe with

322
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synchronicity

323
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it and that's that's just a bizarre

324
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thing to have happen right there

325
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so yeah the fad the fader fact today was

326
00:17:00,949 --> 00:16:55,769
Red Bull originally called red water

327
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buffalo which was preceded with Ted

328
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Nugent 16 years old Great White Buffalo

329
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that's trippy

330
00:17:12,199 --> 00:17:08,819
I mean it was the last time you said

331
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Buffalo twice and two sentences in in 60

332
00:17:19,460 --> 00:17:15,839
seconds right we're John Patel red balls

333
00:17:21,620 --> 00:17:19,470
ah come on Rajan it's a family show that

334
00:17:24,829 --> 00:17:21,630
is a pornstache and tommy b is that

335
00:17:28,730 --> 00:17:24,839
right look look look

336
00:17:32,120 --> 00:17:28,740
look it's the Dobb that is a porn stache

337
00:17:33,500 --> 00:17:32,130
if I've ever ever ever sang yeah try

338
00:17:35,799 --> 00:17:33,510
saying that after drinking a couple of

339
00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:35,809
them you're right about that all right

340
00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:40,770
now this is the deal this is the deal

341
00:17:46,690 --> 00:17:43,410
for me and I've talked about these game

342
00:17:49,430 --> 00:17:46,700
changers from time to time but for me

343
00:17:51,049 --> 00:17:49,440
for all of us let's just say that for

344
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all of us we've had points in our

345
00:17:56,240 --> 00:17:54,419
conspiracy supernatural lives where

346
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we've had those game-changing moments

347
00:18:01,730 --> 00:17:58,650
whether it was reading something maybe

348
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it was a video something on TV breaking

349
00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:05,580
news a book documentary a movie maybe

350
00:18:11,210 --> 00:18:08,610
you saw somebody speak a picture a

351
00:18:13,610 --> 00:18:11,220
photograph we've all had those

352
00:18:16,700 --> 00:18:13,620
game-changing moments right and where it

353
00:18:23,690 --> 00:18:16,710
just forced you to go and take a turn

354
00:18:29,930 --> 00:18:23,700
and for me now I was probably around the

355
00:18:33,110 --> 00:18:29,940
age of nine Chariots of the Gods game

356
00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:33,120
changer no doubt game changer I couldn't

357
00:18:37,130 --> 00:18:34,410
get Chariots of the Gods

358
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at that age 9 10 11 12 years old I

359
00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:39,840
couldn't get it off of my brain I never

360
00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:42,090
you know what I never did it's always

361
00:18:47,510 --> 00:18:45,090
been there and and then of course and

362
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this isn't in any particular order but I

363
00:18:52,820 --> 00:18:49,350
try to list this chronologically and as

364
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I was doing this today I was forced into

365
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making this list

366
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because of Whitley's new book the

367
00:19:02,140 --> 00:19:00,230
afterlife revolution right I'm reading

368
00:19:05,610 --> 00:19:02,150
it and I'm going man I'm having one of

369
00:19:08,290 --> 00:19:05,620
those moments this is a game changer and

370
00:19:10,150 --> 00:19:08,300
so I went back I started to think about

371
00:19:12,700 --> 00:19:10,160
all of these moments right so there of

372
00:19:16,930 --> 00:19:12,710
course Chariots of the Gods right billy

373
00:19:17,590 --> 00:19:16,940
meier billy meier for me a couple of

374
00:19:22,330 --> 00:19:17,600
times

375
00:19:24,220 --> 00:19:22,340
surfaced and and blew my mind now as we

376
00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:24,230
all know you know it's it's all it's

377
00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:26,570
just all one big hoax today but that

378
00:19:31,260 --> 00:19:29,090
doesn't matter about what I went through

379
00:19:35,050 --> 00:19:31,270
the first time I saw Billy Meyers

380
00:19:37,660 --> 00:19:35,060
pictures and images I freaked out it all

381
00:19:41,500 --> 00:19:37,670
came crashing down when I saw the Billy

382
00:19:43,750 --> 00:19:41,510
Meyer movies I realized it was all a

383
00:19:46,630 --> 00:19:43,760
bunch of BS but but nonetheless man

384
00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:46,640
billy meier right there and then there

385
00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:48,290
were a couple of books that happened

386
00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:51,890
right in a row actually with an

387
00:19:59,460 --> 00:19:55,730
interrupted journey and Betty and Barney

388
00:20:03,310 --> 00:19:59,470
Hill that book was a game changer for me

389
00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:03,320
changed changed things there was my life

390
00:20:10,210 --> 00:20:06,770
before that book and after and at the

391
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same time during the same week I read

392
00:20:19,090 --> 00:20:13,580
the Andreessen affair Betty Andreessen

393
00:20:20,650 --> 00:20:19,100
and that book unlike an interrupted

394
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journey because an interrupted journey

395
00:20:30,460 --> 00:20:27,700
is very much a nonfiction accounting

396
00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:30,470
historical type document where the and

397
00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:33,290
recent affair are these hypnosis

398
00:20:38,770 --> 00:20:35,930
sessions that Betty went through and

399
00:20:41,740 --> 00:20:38,780
these are the transcriptions and that

400
00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:41,750
freaked me out I I literally could not

401
00:20:46,660 --> 00:20:44,330
sleep I couldn't sleep I would read that

402
00:20:50,500 --> 00:20:46,670
book until 2:00 3:00 4:00 o'clock in the

403
00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:50,510
morning and I would read the book I'm

404
00:20:57,340 --> 00:20:52,730
not making this up by the way I would

405
00:21:00,520 --> 00:20:57,350
read the book with one eye my other eye

406
00:21:04,380 --> 00:21:00,530
I would look past the book at the same

407
00:21:08,850 --> 00:21:04,390
time at my window in my bedroom

408
00:21:12,180 --> 00:21:08,860
yeah I I got that down pat I was so

409
00:21:14,460 --> 00:21:12,190
freaked out by that book and that was a

410
00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:14,470
game-changer for me Betty and recently

411
00:21:22,049 --> 00:21:17,010
and recent affair and then came

412
00:21:24,780 --> 00:21:22,059
communion communion was one of those

413
00:21:28,260 --> 00:21:24,790
moments and then the movie of course -

414
00:21:32,780 --> 00:21:28,270
but the book I was talking to Whitley

415
00:21:38,850 --> 00:21:32,790
about this earlier the book communion is

416
00:21:41,419 --> 00:21:38,860
now almost to a whatever status not in a

417
00:21:44,789 --> 00:21:41,429
negative sense what I mean by that is

418
00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:44,799
everybody has got a communion story it's

419
00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:47,410
like whatever you know everybody's got a

420
00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:50,530
communion story all right it's just like

421
00:21:54,419 --> 00:21:51,010
whatever

422
00:21:56,730 --> 00:21:54,429
you can expect it I could do a show with

423
00:21:58,950 --> 00:21:56,740
first-time callers back to back to back

424
00:22:03,360 --> 00:21:58,960
to back with everybody sharing a

425
00:22:05,930 --> 00:22:03,370
communion story okay so there's that

426
00:22:10,650 --> 00:22:05,940
GameChanger communion and then of course

427
00:22:13,530 --> 00:22:10,660
Roswell game changer game changer when

428
00:22:14,789 --> 00:22:13,540
that surface the first time I saw fire

429
00:22:17,330 --> 00:22:14,799
in the sky

430
00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:17,340
Travis Walton when that movie came out

431
00:22:25,610 --> 00:22:20,530
it was that was that was a game changer

432
00:22:30,570 --> 00:22:25,620
game changer bob lazar game changer

433
00:22:33,930 --> 00:22:30,580
mj-12 when those documents hits and what

434
00:22:36,930 --> 00:22:33,940
happened on the internet game changer

435
00:22:39,860 --> 00:22:36,940
you know it's early days on the Internet

436
00:22:44,940 --> 00:22:39,870
to think about how that went down

437
00:22:48,120 --> 00:22:44,950
serpo and the in the aviary the aviary

438
00:22:49,470 --> 00:22:48,130
serpo was one story the aviary being

439
00:22:52,100 --> 00:22:49,480
part of that but this went on for a

440
00:22:56,299 --> 00:22:52,110
while and that was a game changer to

441
00:23:03,409 --> 00:22:56,309
Condor right game changer Rendlesham

442
00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:03,419
game changer and then about 10 excuse me

443
00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:06,850
I'll let it that out maybe 10 15 years

444
00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:07,770
ago

445
00:23:15,090 --> 00:23:12,330
Whitley pops up again with his

446
00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:15,100
accounting of the blue guys right the

447
00:23:22,139 --> 00:23:16,690
little blue dudes

448
00:23:24,389 --> 00:23:22,149
and again whitley surfaced for me so we

449
00:23:27,479 --> 00:23:24,399
had communion then he comes along and he

450
00:23:30,389 --> 00:23:27,489
forces me to rethink everything with the

451
00:23:35,129 --> 00:23:30,399
little blue dudes and and i went back

452
00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:35,139
and it forced me to reassess reality as

453
00:23:39,869 --> 00:23:37,450
i knew it and he was on to something

454
00:23:41,159 --> 00:23:39,879
right and over the last ten years so

455
00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:41,169
many things have surfaced

456
00:23:46,909 --> 00:23:43,090
you know since then and the whitley blue

457
00:23:50,249 --> 00:23:46,919
things so much has has gone down and

458
00:23:53,519 --> 00:23:50,259
there's a lot of moments there right

459
00:23:55,710 --> 00:23:53,529
vast amounts of information videos and

460
00:23:58,589 --> 00:23:55,720
books and youtube and radio and TV and

461
00:24:01,529 --> 00:23:58,599
you know coast to coast and and ancient

462
00:24:05,009 --> 00:24:01,539
aliens and you know just vast amounts of

463
00:24:09,029 --> 00:24:05,019
information alien autopsy right so

464
00:24:12,930 --> 00:24:09,039
there's all of that stuff but now here

465
00:24:16,849 --> 00:24:12,940
comes whitley again with this book and

466
00:24:21,419 --> 00:24:16,859
it's called the afterlife revolution i

467
00:24:25,409 --> 00:24:21,429
can't put it into words now we're gonna

468
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:25,419
go deep into this book tonight and and

469
00:24:30,690 --> 00:24:28,330
what the title actually means the

470
00:24:34,019 --> 00:24:30,700
afterlife revolution he has co-authored

471
00:24:38,159 --> 00:24:34,029
it with his wife anne which is important

472
00:24:41,219 --> 00:24:38,169
here but before you go and think because

473
00:24:45,299 --> 00:24:41,229
this is not what i expected with this

474
00:24:47,879 --> 00:24:45,309
book you know it's coauthor with an so

475
00:24:49,409 --> 00:24:47,889
you're you you naturally assume a few

476
00:24:50,669 --> 00:24:49,419
things there and I'm not gonna give

477
00:24:52,979 --> 00:24:50,679
anything away I'm gonna leave that to

478
00:24:56,369 --> 00:24:52,989
Whitley and how he wants to discuss this

479
00:24:58,560 --> 00:24:56,379
book tonight but and and and and and how

480
00:25:00,509 --> 00:24:58,570
that's dealt with but that's not what

481
00:25:05,070 --> 00:25:00,519
it's about it's about the afterlife

482
00:25:08,460 --> 00:25:05,080
revolution and he starts to propose some

483
00:25:11,969 --> 00:25:08,470
pretty fascinating things about what's

484
00:25:16,609 --> 00:25:11,979
going on in the afterlife and and what

485
00:25:21,719 --> 00:25:16,619
it means for the entire world so it is

486
00:25:23,549 --> 00:25:21,729
indeed a game changer and I went and I

487
00:25:27,710 --> 00:25:23,559
looked at this list and I put this list

488
00:25:30,639 --> 00:25:27,720
together and Whitley is on this list

489
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:30,649
three times

490
00:25:39,369 --> 00:25:35,850
three that's extraordinary you know and

491
00:25:42,499 --> 00:25:39,379
and when we look at a lot of the a lot

492
00:25:44,599 --> 00:25:42,509
of the accumulated stuff you know crop

493
00:25:47,539 --> 00:25:44,609
circles and cattle mutilations and and

494
00:25:52,340 --> 00:25:47,549
and Disclosure you know Linda Moulton

495
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:52,350
Howe or or Richard Dolan and and and of

496
00:25:56,769 --> 00:25:54,090
course you know all of the Rendlesham

497
00:26:00,320 --> 00:25:56,779
stuff and and and all of the you know

498
00:26:04,879 --> 00:26:00,330
ancient aliens and and of course that

499
00:26:08,149 --> 00:26:04,889
whole group of great researchers and you

500
00:26:10,639 --> 00:26:08,159
know all game-changers all of them okay

501
00:26:13,419 --> 00:26:10,649
and I get that I really do go back to

502
00:26:16,299 --> 00:26:13,429
eat a pea but that that's all the news

503
00:26:19,339 --> 00:26:16,309
Whitley is on this list three times and

504
00:26:20,989 --> 00:26:19,349
he has forced me into rethinking things

505
00:26:22,700 --> 00:26:20,999
and so you're gonna do the same thing

506
00:26:24,889 --> 00:26:22,710
tonight it's going to be one of those

507
00:26:27,950 --> 00:26:24,899
conversations I'm really really really

508
00:26:31,279 --> 00:26:27,960
looking forward to this tomorrow night

509
00:26:33,469 --> 00:26:31,289
on the show when we go into open lines I

510
00:26:38,089 --> 00:26:33,479
want to have a I want to have a nice

511
00:26:40,969 --> 00:26:38,099
long night discussing this book and its

512
00:26:43,700 --> 00:26:40,979
implications because this is potentially

513
00:26:47,239 --> 00:26:43,710
a game-changer and it should be read

514
00:26:50,210 --> 00:26:47,249
like communion was read it should be

515
00:26:54,109 --> 00:26:50,220
that kind of blockbuster moment for

516
00:26:56,869 --> 00:26:54,119
everybody it's really that good and the

517
00:27:00,229 --> 00:26:56,879
the parts about look the communication

518
00:27:03,889 --> 00:27:00,239
with an that that's one thing but it's

519
00:27:05,629 --> 00:27:03,899
the revelations that Whitley has

520
00:27:07,820 --> 00:27:05,639
realized and he's been putting this

521
00:27:10,369 --> 00:27:07,830
together and we've adopted about this

522
00:27:13,369 --> 00:27:10,379
over the last year on this show about

523
00:27:16,190 --> 00:27:13,379
this book and and him writing it well

524
00:27:20,330 --> 00:27:16,200
now it's here and now I get it

525
00:27:22,129 --> 00:27:20,340
I'm trying to get it I should say I'm at

526
00:27:24,799 --> 00:27:22,139
one of those moments like I did with

527
00:27:28,580 --> 00:27:24,809
communion and like I did with Whitley

528
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:28,590
and the little blue guys and it's it's

529
00:27:32,539 --> 00:27:30,090
gonna be one of those conversations so

530
00:27:35,330 --> 00:27:32,549
buckle up and get ready kids it's a it's

531
00:27:39,710 --> 00:27:35,340
gonna be one of those nights so again

532
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:39,720
I'm a bachelor Rita is in Manhattan with

533
00:27:44,620 --> 00:27:42,290
our dollar Diana and

534
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:44,630
I am sure well now they've been

535
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:47,210
traveling since I took him to the

536
00:27:52,390 --> 00:27:50,810
airport this morning at 5:00 a.m. so

537
00:27:54,670 --> 00:27:52,400
they've been traveling all day so they

538
00:27:56,530 --> 00:27:54,680
may be they may be a little tuckered out

539
00:27:59,230 --> 00:27:56,540
so I don't know if they're listening

540
00:28:01,120 --> 00:27:59,240
tonight but I love you honey love you

541
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Tiana you guys have fun you be safe out

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there

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holla I'll man the ship here and somehow

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manage on my own

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this is fade to black I'm your host

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Jimmy church tonight it is Whitley

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Strieber on the game changer networking

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k tra the planets can follow me on

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twitter at j radio email is jimmy at

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jimmy church radio calm stay with us

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when I come back after this short break

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we'll be joined with wit least Reapers

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you're listening to Jimmy Church fade to

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Ronnie hey Ronnie how you doing great

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Chris now you're the CEO of get the

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t.com right yes I am

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what is get the t.com I mean is this tea

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you buy in a store well no it's not I've

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changed teas just that life changing

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life change tea is an herbal tea that

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gently cleanses your body from intruders

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what do you mean by intruders well

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intruders are toxins chemicals GMOs

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heavy metals and more there are food in

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our water in our air we breathe

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seriously yeah seriously

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and life changed tea will help you with

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removing these as you say intruders s

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right Chris are there side effects with

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this team well you might lose a little

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lose weight you feel better and you have

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Ronnie where can people purchase life

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change tea oh that's easy

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get the tea calm that's get the tea

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teehee a calm Ronnie I want to thank you

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for being on the show people don't

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forget get the tea teehee a calm 9 out

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hi this is Rob Reiner from anvil and

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you're listening to Jimmy Choo radio

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calm what up this is combats and we're

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all right welcome back fade the block

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our mail Jimmy Church follow me on

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Twitter at J Church radio come join in

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hashtag f2 B is the sandbox and you can

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follow Whitley at Whitney streamer

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he's been tweeting today I noticed he is

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the author of the communion series of

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books and many novels ranging from the

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wolfin and the hunger to the grays and

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his exciting new Alien Hunter series

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super storm was made into a movie as the

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day after tomorrow and of course

635
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Communion and wolfen and hunger were all

636
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made into movies he's a Texan and the

637
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secret school has been listed by the

638
00:33:30,590 --> 00:33:27,540
Texas Monthly as among the top ten books

639
00:33:32,930 --> 00:33:30,600
written by Texans Alien Hunter has been

640
00:33:35,990 --> 00:33:32,940
made into a TV series also on the Sci Fi

641
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Channel and the afterlife revolution is

642
00:33:42,410 --> 00:33:38,640
Whitley's latest book written with his

643
00:33:45,590 --> 00:33:42,420
wife Anne who died in August 2015 at the

644
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age of 69 now whitley has discussed many

645
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:47,910
times on this program about the writing

646
00:33:51,860 --> 00:33:49,530
of this book over the last year and

647
00:33:53,660 --> 00:33:51,870
tonight we're gonna talk to him about

648
00:33:56,270 --> 00:33:53,670
how this was done we're gonna talk to

649
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him about the title of the book and we

650
00:34:01,220 --> 00:33:58,590
will take a completely new look at all

651
00:34:04,490 --> 00:34:01,230
of these questions of who and what we

652
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:04,500
are and above all how to build a strong

653
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soul lead a good life and die into joy

654
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his website of course is unknown country

655
00:34:14,570 --> 00:34:13,080
calm the links were over at Jimmy Church

656
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radio calm and I would like to welcome

657
00:34:17,750 --> 00:34:15,720
back to fade to black

658
00:34:19,100 --> 00:34:17,760
a good friend Whitley Strieber Whitley

659
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good evening how are you man good

660
00:34:23,930 --> 00:34:21,090
evening how are you

661
00:34:27,590 --> 00:34:23,940
it's always I'm better when I hear your

662
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:27,600
voice thank you hear yours do yeah

663
00:34:36,110 --> 00:34:31,290
absolutely Whitley and I almost don't

664
00:34:38,659 --> 00:34:36,120
know where to start tonight and with the

665
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:38,669
anticipation about this book you've done

666
00:34:45,500 --> 00:34:41,490
a really good job of telling us about

667
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the progress over the last year and one

668
00:34:50,850 --> 00:34:47,640
would assume it was a heavy book to

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write but I think that there

670
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a misconception also about the book

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itself because it could be a

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transcription right a you know

673
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transcription of communication with that

674
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there's there's that part of it but I

675
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think the book is is so much bigger than

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that now this is the question this is

677
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:13,240
where we're gonna start as you wrote the

678
00:35:19,830 --> 00:35:17,770
book did it develop into what it is or

679
00:35:22,710 --> 00:35:19,840
did you have the vision for the book

680
00:35:26,370 --> 00:35:22,720
before you started writing it no I did

681
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not actually the way it started was a

682
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and I had been by that time had become

683
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aware of the fact that the contact

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within as far as I'm concerned is real

685
00:35:46,070 --> 00:35:42,790
mm-hm and I was I knew she's there there

686
00:35:49,050 --> 00:35:46,080
was something there in terms of a book

687
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and in this life when we were physically

688
00:35:54,030 --> 00:35:51,880
but both alive she was always my muse

689
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and my editor in other words she was the

690
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one I went to first with everything and

691
00:36:02,580 --> 00:35:59,350
she was the one who played around with

692
00:36:04,260 --> 00:36:02,590
ideas and so forth and when she passed

693
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on I thought you know well I even be

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able to write again and she attitude was

695
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now you're gonna do it even better

696
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:16,540
and then I was thinking about a book

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about her sort of a biography and there

698
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was absolutely silent someone she

699
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couldn't have been less interested right

700
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and then she I heard her say it's the

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00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:33,100
afterlife revolution and I thought to

702
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:36,490
myself what does that mean and that's

703
00:36:45,830 --> 00:36:39,490
kind of where it started that's where it

704
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:45,840
started the the audience for this book I

705
00:36:52,650 --> 00:36:49,210
see it no no wait a minute it's not

706
00:36:55,860 --> 00:36:52,660
about me it's about you Willie who do

707
00:36:58,490 --> 00:36:55,870
you think should read this book well you

708
00:37:01,410 --> 00:36:58,500
know I think that anybody who is

709
00:37:03,300 --> 00:37:01,420
cruising down this river should read the

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book which is happy because that means

711
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:04,120
ever

712
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:06,970
ending in the same place like my doctor

713
00:37:12,540 --> 00:37:09,370
says right in my practice I have a

714
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:12,550
hundred percent death rate and he does

715
00:37:18,900 --> 00:37:15,370
we all do right that's where we are and

716
00:37:21,540 --> 00:37:18,910
we have been going through in it all of

717
00:37:24,030 --> 00:37:21,550
our civilization and long before that we

718
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:24,040
know that in the and earth all's and

719
00:37:27,870 --> 00:37:26,490
possibly beings even earlier than that

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protohumans

721
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or burying and respecting their dead and

722
00:37:38,670 --> 00:37:35,890
of course it became raised to a high art

723
00:37:45,300 --> 00:37:38,680
among the Sumerians and the Egyptians

724
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:45,310
and so on on down the line and we have

725
00:37:54,900 --> 00:37:49,810
always been concerned about what happens

726
00:38:00,810 --> 00:37:54,910
at that time in the body ceases do we

727
00:38:08,390 --> 00:38:00,820
evaporate all of that extraordinary life

728
00:38:10,500 --> 00:38:08,400
as is said in the first Blade Runner

729
00:38:14,010 --> 00:38:10,510
disappearing like tears in the rain

730
00:38:18,060 --> 00:38:14,020
right or is something more there is

731
00:38:20,460 --> 00:38:18,070
something more going to happen and so

732
00:38:22,770 --> 00:38:20,470
anyone who's concerned about this should

733
00:38:25,070 --> 00:38:22,780
read the book and if you're pretending

734
00:38:27,990 --> 00:38:25,080
you're not concerned about it then

735
00:38:31,950 --> 00:38:28,000
you're that's not correct you are in

736
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:31,960
fact concerned about it we all are I I

737
00:38:38,010 --> 00:38:34,810
was speaking to you earlier today before

738
00:38:40,500 --> 00:38:38,020
the show and I what you and I talked

739
00:38:43,710 --> 00:38:40,510
about I spoke about at the beginning of

740
00:38:47,790 --> 00:38:43,720
the show which is you know I the book

741
00:38:51,090 --> 00:38:47,800
forced me into I started to you know I

742
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:51,100
have a series of these aha moments where

743
00:38:57,650 --> 00:38:54,570
the this puzzle you know was starting to

744
00:39:00,510 --> 00:38:57,660
complete itself of over this last week

745
00:39:01,740 --> 00:39:00,520
and I'm like man what Whitley's doing it

746
00:39:05,190 --> 00:39:01,750
to me again damn it

747
00:39:10,580 --> 00:39:05,200
right yeah you know here we go and and

748
00:39:12,750 --> 00:39:10,590
so it forced me in to reflect on these

749
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:12,760
game-changing moments throughout my life

750
00:39:17,070 --> 00:39:14,530
and and who was involved you know so I

751
00:39:18,050 --> 00:39:17,080
put this list together and surprisingly

752
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:18,060
I get to

753
00:39:28,730 --> 00:39:26,420
interesting I was fascinated when you

754
00:39:34,100 --> 00:39:28,740
told me that yeah and I didn't expect it

755
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:34,110
and now and and I again this isn't meant

756
00:39:38,060 --> 00:39:36,210
to be a negative statement but

757
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:38,070
everybody's got a communion moment

758
00:39:42,650 --> 00:39:40,050
everybody does right you can go and

759
00:39:43,970 --> 00:39:42,660
every man and woman on the street and

760
00:39:46,190 --> 00:39:43,980
you can go and quiz everybody's got a

761
00:39:50,150 --> 00:39:46,200
community moment so that's not a shocker

762
00:39:51,350 --> 00:39:50,160
right but but you you should be on the

763
00:39:57,490 --> 00:39:51,360
list is what I'm saying that's not a

764
00:40:00,800 --> 00:39:57,500
shocker there but your your your your

765
00:40:02,930 --> 00:40:00,810
research into and theories into the

766
00:40:06,940 --> 00:40:02,940
little blue guys and who they were in

767
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:06,950
actuality was something that forced me

768
00:40:13,190 --> 00:40:10,410
for a month or two to really you know

769
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:13,200
think about life and and and look at

770
00:40:16,670 --> 00:40:14,610
things a little bit differently and so

771
00:40:19,550 --> 00:40:16,680
you made the list a second time and here

772
00:40:24,050 --> 00:40:19,560
this book is now doing it to me now a

773
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:24,060
third time and how do you feel about

774
00:40:28,010 --> 00:40:26,130
that I mean you know you know you've

775
00:40:29,450 --> 00:40:28,020
changed lives with communion you know

776
00:40:31,430 --> 00:40:29,460
you know that this has happened and

777
00:40:33,140 --> 00:40:31,440
you've written some very important works

778
00:40:34,550 --> 00:40:33,150
over the years but this one I think is

779
00:40:37,970 --> 00:40:34,560
just as important as anything you've

780
00:40:41,090 --> 00:40:37,980
done well that's what I'm here for and

781
00:40:43,730 --> 00:40:41,100
it's where an was here for what we we've

782
00:40:46,780 --> 00:40:43,740
given our lives to doing this and more

783
00:40:52,370 --> 00:40:46,790
than her life for Annie in at this point

784
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:52,380
and because you know when you think of

785
00:40:59,120 --> 00:40:56,490
what a soul is it's something that could

786
00:41:03,260 --> 00:40:59,130
conceivably it could be an eternal

787
00:41:07,070 --> 00:41:03,270
eternal part of eternal life that's

788
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:07,080
important and that means that every

789
00:41:12,260 --> 00:41:08,970
single one of us is really very

790
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:12,270
important and if you know that and

791
00:41:18,830 --> 00:41:15,290
understand that then you are immediately

792
00:41:23,090 --> 00:41:18,840
involved and you have to ask yourself

793
00:41:28,310 --> 00:41:23,100
how can I help and when I had the close

794
00:41:31,070 --> 00:41:28,320
encounter experience we struggled I mean

795
00:41:32,010 --> 00:41:31,080
amazing struggle with this Annie and I

796
00:41:34,170 --> 00:41:32,020
both did

797
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:34,180
she you know she was always up for the

798
00:41:38,850 --> 00:41:36,010
adventure I was terrified after it

799
00:41:41,850 --> 00:41:38,860
happened and I figured out just how

800
00:41:44,070 --> 00:41:41,860
weird it was and I realized I'm not

801
00:41:45,720 --> 00:41:44,080
insane I'm not gonna try to get her to

802
00:41:48,090 --> 00:41:45,730
stop trying to get her to divorce me

803
00:41:50,820 --> 00:41:48,100
because I was afraid she would be stuck

804
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:50,830
with a lunatic or a psychotic or

805
00:41:54,630 --> 00:41:53,530
something and in those days if that had

806
00:41:58,530 --> 00:41:54,640
happened she wouldn't have been able to

807
00:42:02,130 --> 00:41:58,540
get loose from me and for seven years so

808
00:42:06,420 --> 00:42:02,140
I told a friend Timothy Greenfield

809
00:42:09,150 --> 00:42:06,430
Saunders about this as a wonderful

810
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:09,160
photographer and his marvellous portrait

811
00:42:14,580 --> 00:42:11,290
of Anne is actually on the book both in

812
00:42:18,510 --> 00:42:14,590
the at the very end of the e-book and on

813
00:42:22,380 --> 00:42:18,520
the back cover of the paperback but

814
00:42:24,720 --> 00:42:22,390
anyway I told him the story and and I

815
00:42:28,260 --> 00:42:24,730
said I'm afraid to tell any said don't

816
00:42:31,950 --> 00:42:28,270
be she's gonna love this and so I told

817
00:42:34,910 --> 00:42:31,960
her and she was immediately she said oh

818
00:42:38,190 --> 00:42:34,920
thank god and I thought you were really

819
00:42:40,110 --> 00:42:38,200
it's it's nothing but he but a UFO thing

820
00:42:42,270 --> 00:42:40,120
isn't it I said well yeah but I mean I

821
00:42:45,930 --> 00:42:42,280
was in the darn thing and I think and

822
00:42:49,290 --> 00:42:45,940
she said what an adventure and that was

823
00:42:51,690 --> 00:42:49,300
her attitude an adventure and we took it

824
00:42:55,140 --> 00:42:51,700
kind of took it from there we we wrote

825
00:42:57,150 --> 00:42:55,150
communion together pretty much and went

826
00:42:59,820 --> 00:42:57,160
out and the next thing you know she's

827
00:43:01,350 --> 00:42:59,830
all these letters came in she starts

828
00:43:03,900 --> 00:43:01,360
reading them of course because she could

829
00:43:06,180 --> 00:43:03,910
read very quickly and she's reading all

830
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:06,190
these letters and her secretary Laurie

831
00:43:11,850 --> 00:43:10,090
Barnes comes along and she finds Laurie

832
00:43:12,630 --> 00:43:11,860
in the letters she turns out to live

833
00:43:15,330 --> 00:43:12,640
across the street

834
00:43:17,150 --> 00:43:15,340
she's an secretary for the next 15 years

835
00:43:20,100 --> 00:43:17,160
they catalogued a lot of the letters

836
00:43:23,810 --> 00:43:20,110
they end up keeping twenty or thirty

837
00:43:26,910 --> 00:43:23,820
thousand of a lot of letters and they

838
00:43:28,740 --> 00:43:26,920
they they're now at Rice University but

839
00:43:30,030 --> 00:43:28,750
at one point she comes out and she says

840
00:43:33,240 --> 00:43:30,040
Whitley this has something to do with

841
00:43:36,240 --> 00:43:33,250
what we call death and I that really a

842
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:36,250
light went on in my head because not

843
00:43:41,850 --> 00:43:39,850
only had I seen a dead friend during my

844
00:43:44,790 --> 00:43:41,860
first encounter experience which has

845
00:43:45,900 --> 00:43:44,800
brushed past in communion it's mentioned

846
00:43:47,490 --> 00:43:45,910
briefly but I didn't

847
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:47,500
understand it so I didn't say much about

848
00:43:53,910 --> 00:43:52,450
it right it started to happen to people

849
00:43:56,279 --> 00:43:53,920
who came to our cabin to see the

850
00:43:58,170 --> 00:43:56,289
visitors routinely in fact as soon as

851
00:44:00,029 --> 00:43:58,180
someone started to see their dead

852
00:44:02,250 --> 00:44:00,039
friends or relatives we knew the

853
00:44:07,049 --> 00:44:02,260
visitors would be there later or at the

854
00:44:10,230 --> 00:44:07,059
same time sometimes so Annie became an

855
00:44:12,870 --> 00:44:10,240
expert on the afterlife she really

856
00:44:16,710 --> 00:44:12,880
really got into it and really read up on

857
00:44:19,349 --> 00:44:16,720
to it on it then comes 2004 we're

858
00:44:24,950 --> 00:44:19,359
getting ready to go on our show on coast

859
00:44:28,980 --> 00:44:24,960
with art and an collapses in my arms and

860
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:28,990
it turns out she's had a a huge

861
00:44:35,460 --> 00:44:32,170
hemorrhagic stroke I get her to the

862
00:44:37,529 --> 00:44:35,470
hospital by a literal miracle over the

863
00:44:40,859 --> 00:44:37,539
series of miracles over the next six

864
00:44:43,620 --> 00:44:40,869
weeks she is saved she's brought back to

865
00:44:46,710 --> 00:44:43,630
life and she comes back with an

866
00:44:48,059 --> 00:44:46,720
incredible story she's had a near-death

867
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:48,069
experience

868
00:44:53,700 --> 00:44:51,130
that completely changed her life it was

869
00:44:56,490 --> 00:44:53,710
a simple experience and you can read the

870
00:44:59,370 --> 00:44:56,500
whole story in in the appendix one of

871
00:45:03,180 --> 00:44:59,380
the afterlife investigated I mean the

872
00:45:07,289 --> 00:45:03,190
afterlife revolution and but it's very

873
00:45:11,370 --> 00:45:07,299
powerful very powerful because she was

874
00:45:13,109 --> 00:45:11,380
in this sort of bus station as she

875
00:45:15,599 --> 00:45:13,119
described it and there were always

876
00:45:18,150 --> 00:45:15,609
people clinging to these huge burdens

877
00:45:22,410 --> 00:45:18,160
and bags and suitcases they wouldn't let

878
00:45:24,359 --> 00:45:22,420
go and she realized they have to let go

879
00:45:27,420 --> 00:45:24,369
of all this stuff or they can't go on

880
00:45:29,460 --> 00:45:27,430
they can't move on and then someone said

881
00:45:34,710 --> 00:45:29,470
to her you can come you can go on if you

882
00:45:38,519 --> 00:45:34,720
want to or you can go back and her mind

883
00:45:40,260 --> 00:45:38,529
returned to her son and to me and her

884
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:40,270
son hadn't gotten married yet he had a

885
00:45:46,890 --> 00:45:43,450
girlfriend who it was engaged to and she

886
00:45:49,019 --> 00:45:46,900
decided thank God to come back and she

887
00:45:51,660 --> 00:45:49,029
did come back but she came back a

888
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:51,670
completely changed human being when she

889
00:45:56,370 --> 00:45:53,890
recovered from that stroke which she

890
00:45:59,730 --> 00:45:56,380
recovered from completely she was no

891
00:46:04,140 --> 00:45:59,740
longer afraid of death at all not at all

892
00:46:08,370 --> 00:46:04,150
she was interested in it and understood

893
00:46:13,410 --> 00:46:08,380
it in deep ways and now that she has

894
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:13,420
gone over she has turned back and is

895
00:46:18,630 --> 00:46:15,970
sharing that wisdom and that's where the

896
00:46:24,359 --> 00:46:18,640
afterlife revolution comes from well now

897
00:46:27,300 --> 00:46:24,369
so let me ask you this you had to go

898
00:46:31,770 --> 00:46:27,310
back and and reflect on your own life

899
00:46:34,530 --> 00:46:31,780
too as well did you find moments of

900
00:46:36,329 --> 00:46:34,540
things that you know she's telling you

901
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:36,339
about you know the bus stop and it's an

902
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:38,530
extraordinary part of the book by the

903
00:46:45,420 --> 00:46:41,650
way it's a very moving part but what

904
00:46:47,849 --> 00:46:45,430
about you did you figure out the things

905
00:46:50,250 --> 00:46:47,859
that you needed to let go of and the

906
00:46:52,890 --> 00:46:50,260
things that you weren't imperfect with

907
00:46:55,140 --> 00:46:52,900
and you know you haven't been a saint

908
00:46:56,970 --> 00:46:55,150
your whole life either right and and or

909
00:47:01,020 --> 00:46:56,980
yes no I have been and I have nothing to

910
00:47:03,599 --> 00:47:01,030
let go of and I'm perfect and now having

911
00:47:06,210 --> 00:47:03,609
told one lie I'm in trouble right right

912
00:47:08,430 --> 00:47:06,220
you know and you're fast into doing that

913
00:47:12,599 --> 00:47:08,440
aren't you well let me tell you what

914
00:47:14,609 --> 00:47:12,609
happened yeah it's the answer we've all

915
00:47:18,710 --> 00:47:14,619
got stuff we wouldn't be here this isn't

916
00:47:21,210 --> 00:47:18,720
this isn't about gliding through with no

917
00:47:23,910 --> 00:47:21,220
scars and no work to do this is a

918
00:47:25,829 --> 00:47:23,920
workhouse this is the school we're here

919
00:47:28,940 --> 00:47:25,839
to work and we're here to build these

920
00:47:33,990 --> 00:47:28,950
souls and do a good job of it or not and

921
00:47:36,870 --> 00:47:34,000
that's our choice so during this life

922
00:47:38,220 --> 00:47:36,880
you know I've always struggled on many

923
00:47:40,410 --> 00:47:38,230
many different levels

924
00:47:42,660 --> 00:47:40,420
you know everybody struggles with their

925
00:47:45,510 --> 00:47:42,670
ego the visitors the first thing they

926
00:47:49,470 --> 00:47:45,520
did was that they started kicking my ego

927
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:49,480
in the tailbone and in fascinating ways

928
00:47:53,730 --> 00:47:51,490
I've I think I've told this story on

929
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:53,740
your show before but suffice to say that

930
00:48:00,750 --> 00:47:56,650
because I was acting in an egotistical

931
00:48:02,930 --> 00:48:00,760
way one time with my brother they

932
00:48:06,620 --> 00:48:02,940
proceeded to make my bank account

933
00:48:10,349 --> 00:48:06,630
evaporate disappear from the bank's

934
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:10,359
records completely it disappeared for 24

935
00:48:15,870 --> 00:48:13,330
hours during which time checks came in

936
00:48:20,610 --> 00:48:15,880
my life continued only I had no one

937
00:48:22,020 --> 00:48:20,620
money and that started with the old lady

938
00:48:27,660 --> 00:48:22,030
that's on the cover of the communion

939
00:48:31,350 --> 00:48:27,670
saying arrogance I can do anything I

940
00:48:35,700 --> 00:48:31,360
wish to you and this was what she wished

941
00:48:40,140 --> 00:48:35,710
to do and since then I have been very

942
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:40,150
very careful to try to be as humble as I

943
00:48:49,230 --> 00:48:44,610
can be and to be aware at all times that

944
00:48:52,590 --> 00:48:49,240
every other human being is important to

945
00:48:57,360 --> 00:48:52,600
themselves as I am to me and they

946
00:48:58,200 --> 00:48:57,370
deserve their space and they deserve a

947
00:49:02,520 --> 00:48:58,210
break

948
00:49:05,430 --> 00:49:02,530
always so that was the beginning of a

949
00:49:08,550 --> 00:49:05,440
long soul journey that went into

950
00:49:12,150 --> 00:49:08,560
overdrive after Annie passed away turned

951
00:49:14,700 --> 00:49:12,160
back to me and began to help me because

952
00:49:17,100 --> 00:49:14,710
I I have to be honest with you I needed

953
00:49:19,230 --> 00:49:17,110
a lot more help than she did I'm much

954
00:49:22,260 --> 00:49:19,240
more bed up than Ann was Ann was not

955
00:49:25,980 --> 00:49:22,270
been up she was a she was a very pure

956
00:49:28,890 --> 00:49:25,990
human being in this life and she had her

957
00:49:33,870 --> 00:49:28,900
faults of course she's human but at the

958
00:49:36,630 --> 00:49:33,880
same time they they weren't you know she

959
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:36,640
had wrinkles and creases not canyons and

960
00:49:44,130 --> 00:49:38,650
crevices let me put it that way

961
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:44,140
and so when she left this life she

962
00:49:49,860 --> 00:49:46,690
ascended immediately and you know into a

963
00:49:52,020 --> 00:49:49,870
higher level and I want to go to and you

964
00:49:56,250 --> 00:49:52,030
know she's been helping me the old truck

965
00:49:58,640 --> 00:49:56,260
wants to go wants to go to so that's

966
00:50:01,890 --> 00:49:58,650
kind of where I am with this now you

967
00:50:04,530 --> 00:50:01,900
there's a couple of statements in the

968
00:50:09,330 --> 00:50:04,540
book that where I have these aha moments

969
00:50:12,510 --> 00:50:09,340
and one of the things that you wrote is

970
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:12,520
here I'm just gonna read part of it you

971
00:50:17,070 --> 00:50:14,050
say human beings have been trying to

972
00:50:18,780 --> 00:50:17,080
contact the they're dead for thousands

973
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:18,790
of years most recently through medium

974
00:50:22,500 --> 00:50:20,890
psychics and electronic communications

975
00:50:25,590 --> 00:50:22,510
techniques all would appear to work at

976
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:25,600
least at times but personal intimate and

977
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:27,490
permanent relationships

978
00:50:32,720 --> 00:50:28,770
between the physical and non-physical

979
00:50:33,900 --> 00:50:32,730
sides of the human family are also

980
00:50:36,990 --> 00:50:33,910
possible

981
00:50:41,100 --> 00:50:37,000
now that's profound but you follow up

982
00:50:43,830 --> 00:50:41,110
that with this as we have lost touch

983
00:50:48,720 --> 00:50:43,840
with our souls we have also abandoned

984
00:50:51,690 --> 00:50:48,730
our ancestors now that's that's a heavy

985
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:51,700
heavy heavy heavy statement and we all

986
00:50:57,060 --> 00:50:53,890
we have do we've we've done just that

987
00:50:59,430 --> 00:50:57,070
haven't we yeah because we've lost touch

988
00:51:05,720 --> 00:50:59,440
with our souls and we're constantly

989
00:51:10,950 --> 00:51:05,730
being drilled again and again the the

990
00:51:15,300 --> 00:51:10,960
refrain is you have no soul you are only

991
00:51:19,109 --> 00:51:15,310
a physical being and in fact the body is

992
00:51:22,980 --> 00:51:19,119
designed to convince us of that because

993
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:22,990
we are all of these nerve endings and

994
00:51:28,950 --> 00:51:25,570
all of this brain power and these

995
00:51:32,340 --> 00:51:28,960
wonderful senses that we have just

996
00:51:35,670 --> 00:51:32,350
literally pull us into the physical

997
00:51:38,130 --> 00:51:35,680
world to the point that we can't hear

998
00:51:43,260 --> 00:51:38,140
our souls at all and there's a reason

999
00:51:47,910 --> 00:51:43,270
for it we are here to act from our most

1000
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:47,920
true essence and to learn who we truly

1001
00:51:53,670 --> 00:51:50,410
and genuinely are in this life

1002
00:51:57,500 --> 00:51:53,680
experience and you the way you do that

1003
00:52:02,460 --> 00:51:57,510
is the part of you that knows your truth

1004
00:52:05,430 --> 00:52:02,470
becomes death to your life but that

1005
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:05,440
doesn't need to be that way the soul can

1006
00:52:12,810 --> 00:52:09,490
be part of this journey and soul

1007
00:52:14,820 --> 00:52:12,820
blindness which is like a disease in my

1008
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:14,830
book and that's how we describe it and

1009
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:18,210
afterlife revolution right keeps us from

1010
00:52:25,980 --> 00:52:22,930
we're we just can't kind of make the

1011
00:52:28,410 --> 00:52:25,990
leap and he calls it locked expectations

1012
00:52:31,290 --> 00:52:28,420
she says people will say to me all the

1013
00:52:34,410 --> 00:52:31,300
time well you know I I can't get into

1014
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:34,420
contact with my wife or my brother or my

1015
00:52:38,850 --> 00:52:36,970
son or whatever it may be my husband my

1016
00:52:42,150 --> 00:52:38,860
sister

1017
00:52:45,350 --> 00:52:42,160
and I want to very badly and she says

1018
00:52:48,210 --> 00:52:45,360
it's because we have locked ourselves

1019
00:52:50,970 --> 00:52:48,220
into the expectation that it's

1020
00:52:53,820 --> 00:52:50,980
impossible and that's because we are

1021
00:52:58,080 --> 00:52:53,830
being told all the time by our bodies

1022
00:53:00,000 --> 00:52:58,090
that this is all there is and we need to

1023
00:53:03,690 --> 00:53:00,010
step back from ourselves a little bit

1024
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:03,700
and realize this is not all areas and

1025
00:53:10,500 --> 00:53:06,610
you look at the huge literature of

1026
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:10,510
experience of mystical experience and so

1027
00:53:15,420 --> 00:53:12,970
on over the all of the years of the

1028
00:53:18,420 --> 00:53:15,430
human world and you realize that of

1029
00:53:21,330 --> 00:53:18,430
course it isn't there's a wonderful big

1030
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:21,340
universe out there and the physical part

1031
00:53:27,930 --> 00:53:24,010
of it is actually only a small incident

1032
00:53:31,770 --> 00:53:27,940
in the whole reality only a little

1033
00:53:34,830 --> 00:53:31,780
corner that's all we we live in the

1034
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:34,840
corner in the little corner why do you

1035
00:53:41,730 --> 00:53:36,850
think it is why do you think it is that

1036
00:53:44,940 --> 00:53:41,740
so many have absolutely lost their souls

1037
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:44,950
you know the compassion the the you know

1038
00:53:50,610 --> 00:53:48,010
the morality and the basic rules and

1039
00:53:54,570 --> 00:53:50,620
laws of love and life where we've just

1040
00:53:56,550 --> 00:53:54,580
locked somebody like let's just you know

1041
00:53:59,430 --> 00:53:56,560
somebody that is gone and robbed a bank

1042
00:54:01,170 --> 00:53:59,440
shoots a couple of people walks out gets

1043
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:01,180
away with the crime and goes out and

1044
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:02,890
spends the money and and lives the rest

1045
00:54:06,780 --> 00:54:04,570
of their life without thinking about

1046
00:54:10,830 --> 00:54:06,790
what they just did what happens with

1047
00:54:13,770 --> 00:54:10,840
that soul well the gun they're gonna

1048
00:54:18,150 --> 00:54:13,780
face it one way or another in the end

1049
00:54:20,370 --> 00:54:18,160
they're gonna face it and yeah I found

1050
00:54:24,830 --> 00:54:20,380
out before I before even Annie passed

1051
00:54:29,610 --> 00:54:24,840
away I've learned that we miss nothing

1052
00:54:32,580 --> 00:54:29,620
every single tiny incident any any every

1053
00:54:37,470 --> 00:54:32,590
second of our lives are part of us and

1054
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:37,480
stay part of us so and when you kill

1055
00:54:41,580 --> 00:54:39,970
somebody eventually there's going to

1056
00:54:43,860 --> 00:54:41,590
become a come a meeting at the river

1057
00:54:46,500 --> 00:54:43,870
between you and that's all that is going

1058
00:54:51,930 --> 00:54:46,510
to happen it will happen and you will

1059
00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:51,940
have to confront that and praying and

1060
00:54:58,950 --> 00:54:55,650
so forth and so on only goes so far in

1061
00:55:01,620 --> 00:54:58,960
relieving oneself of such a profound

1062
00:55:07,259 --> 00:55:01,630
guilt and eventually you have to live

1063
00:55:11,099 --> 00:55:07,269
that guilt after death and is there a

1064
00:55:13,890 --> 00:55:11,109
hell well I think that we can make it

1065
00:55:16,650 --> 00:55:13,900
for ourselves if we want to by the way

1066
00:55:18,299 --> 00:55:16,660
we live but we don't have to and it

1067
00:55:19,980 --> 00:55:18,309
doesn't have to be there it's not there

1068
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:19,990
in Annie's world she doesn't see it

1069
00:55:24,269 --> 00:55:21,450
experience it at all

1070
00:55:26,009 --> 00:55:24,279
most people don't the great majority of

1071
00:55:28,890 --> 00:55:26,019
us don't and we're one of the things

1072
00:55:31,410 --> 00:55:28,900
that's happened with our religions one

1073
00:55:35,730 --> 00:55:31,420
of the unfortunate things about them is

1074
00:55:38,009 --> 00:55:35,740
that they try to control us by warnings

1075
00:55:40,650 --> 00:55:38,019
and other words if you don't do this

1076
00:55:42,420 --> 00:55:40,660
ritual or don't do that or live this way

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or don't do that then you're you're

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gonna be in trouble with God and so most

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of us feel we're a lot worse than we

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actually are

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and Annie's said to me that most of it

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is just a big joke that it that it that

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a lot of it is has to do with souls

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interacting with each other in ways that

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we can't see and friction taking place

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among us that sometimes looks like real

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conflict when when actually it's simply

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a learning experience so it's very very

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complex and you have to you have to find

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yourself and you have to know what

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you've done that's wrong and you have to

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find true remorse and and to repair the

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past if you can usually it's impossible

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00:56:33,900 --> 00:56:31,809
but you can try we'll talk more about

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this after the break we've got ahead to

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00:56:39,089 --> 00:56:35,470
a break but I wanted to ask you really

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00:56:40,940 --> 00:56:39,099
quick before we get there woman saw sent

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00:56:43,410 --> 00:56:40,950
me spoke to and you talked to her today

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00:56:49,319 --> 00:56:43,420
last night last night would you guys

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talk about well nothing I was meditating

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right and I said I can't hear you are

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you here and immediately the living room

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went crack and so obviously she was she

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was busy maybe she was because she was

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making herself known she's

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at this she's very good at it man man

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man you know I'm so jealous

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I'm just so jealous you know good for

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you let's take a break right here our

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guest tonight Whitley Strieber we're

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talking about his new book the afterlife

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a revolution now when we come back there

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there's a lot to talk about but I'm

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gonna start to set things up and I'm

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gonna pick a couple of chapters that

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we're gonna discuss out of the book -

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all of that and much more our guest

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tonight Whitley Strieber

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I'm your host Jimmy church this is fade

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now Whitley it's interesting how Anne

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talked about you know baggage and and

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letting that go I've often said we walk

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around you know with Samsonite with

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luggage right it's not just baggage

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luggage and you need to cut those

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strings and let that stuff go yeah and

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figuring out what it is is also a

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challenge because you might have baggage

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you don't even know you're carrying

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right you've been under the wait for so

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long you've forgotten it's even there

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and we got and for you

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tell me what what Samsonite did you cut

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loose uh well I'll tell you and I go

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into this in the in in the book a lot

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01:02:45,560 --> 01:02:42,720
something fascinating happened about a

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01:02:47,630 --> 01:02:45,570
year and a half about a year ago now I

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01:02:49,820 --> 01:02:47,640
know I guess it yeah it was a year ago

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01:02:52,610 --> 01:02:49,830
April so it's nearly a year and a half

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01:02:54,700 --> 01:02:52,620
now I was at a friend's house in Malibu

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01:02:59,050 --> 01:02:54,710
and they have a lot of events there and

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01:03:02,540 --> 01:02:59,060
they had a betcha monk there who was

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01:03:06,080 --> 01:03:02,550
chanting and he was the real deal he was

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01:03:08,630 --> 01:03:06,090
not you know he wasn't he was from Tibet

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01:03:11,150 --> 01:03:08,640
I mean from North India and not in Tibet

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01:03:14,540 --> 01:03:11,160
of course can't be there but from North

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01:03:19,640 --> 01:03:14,550
India from a famous Lamas area and it

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01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:19,650
was a powerful experience and I was

1221
01:03:23,300 --> 01:03:21,450
sitting there and suddenly I saw an

1222
01:03:26,810 --> 01:03:23,310
sitting on the bench and in that we were

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01:03:29,480 --> 01:03:26,820
in the back yard across from me across

1224
01:03:31,430 --> 01:03:29,490
the backyard for me I was looking and at

1225
01:03:34,070 --> 01:03:31,440
first it just seemed perfectly natural

1226
01:03:37,340 --> 01:03:34,080
that she would be there and then I

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01:03:39,170 --> 01:03:37,350
thought well wait a minute instead and

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01:03:41,750 --> 01:03:39,180
of course immediately then she

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01:03:45,560 --> 01:03:41,760
disappeared and I thought well

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01:03:49,640 --> 01:03:45,570
must have been a hallucination and the

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01:03:52,790 --> 01:03:49,650
next moment though I found myself both

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01:03:56,570 --> 01:03:52,800
sitting in on the bench I was on and at

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01:03:59,930 --> 01:03:56,580
the standing at the bottom of a library

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step some some about six or seven

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library steps very pretty wooden steps

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in a beautiful library and this was as

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real as she had been and as real as the

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bench I was sitting on so I was sort of

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01:04:17,690 --> 01:04:14,940
in two places at the same time in the

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chanting disappeared from my mind I

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01:04:23,630 --> 01:04:19,380
couldn't hear anything anymore and I was

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01:04:25,760 --> 01:04:23,640
finally just on those steps so I walk up

1243
01:04:27,290 --> 01:04:25,770
the steps and Annie is standing at the

1244
01:04:29,600 --> 01:04:27,300
top of the steps the first thing I

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01:04:32,720 --> 01:04:29,610
notice is her hair is really beautiful

1246
01:04:35,570 --> 01:04:32,730
and she she hated her hair she had brill

1247
01:04:38,510 --> 01:04:35,580
thin hair and she'd all of her life she

1248
01:04:40,850 --> 01:04:38,520
was struggling with her hair and I rely

1249
01:04:42,980 --> 01:04:40,860
thought to myself the first thing she

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01:04:46,340 --> 01:04:42,990
did when she crossed over was to make

1251
01:04:50,450 --> 01:04:46,350
sure that she had good hair so anyway

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01:04:52,850 --> 01:04:50,460
she's standing there in this pair of tan

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01:04:55,430 --> 01:04:52,860
slacks and a pullover sweater and a

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01:04:57,950 --> 01:04:55,440
shirt I knew clothes I knew very well

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that she used to wear a lot when she was

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in her late 20s that she had then and I

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walk up and she's looking right at me I

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mean we're face to face I'm looking

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right into her eyes and this to me is

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real it is a real experience

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01:05:20,900 --> 01:05:17,640
and she I look over to those she

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01:05:24,260 --> 01:05:20,910
gestures or moves toward the library or

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01:05:28,280 --> 01:05:24,270
what which is a wall of books and she

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01:05:30,620 --> 01:05:28,290
pulls down this green book and on it is

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stamped in gold the big gold letters the

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word life and it's thin and I think

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that's my life all this I've done and it

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01:05:41,240 --> 01:05:37,020
just looks like it's only a few pages

1269
01:05:44,570 --> 01:05:41,250
long so she opens the book and shows me

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a picture it's a very vivid color

1271
01:05:53,300 --> 01:05:48,650
picture it's a picture of a woman and

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this woman is looking at me with the

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most baleful

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face of hatred and exhaustion and it's a

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very powerful moment because I think it

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might be my mother right when I was just

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a little tiny baby and you know I was

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hell on earth when I was born because I

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was couldn't drink for some unknown

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reason that I'm sure doctors could

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diagnose now but they couldn't then

1282
01:06:26,600 --> 01:06:23,400
couldn't handle my mother's milk and the

1283
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gay had to give me baby formula and it

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01:06:31,550 --> 01:06:29,310
was an incomplete food in those days so

1285
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I was more or less hungry all the time

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01:06:37,400 --> 01:06:34,170
and I screamed and screamed and screamed

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01:06:39,530 --> 01:06:37,410
for the first six months of my life it

1288
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was so difficult my father was away

1289
01:06:45,860 --> 01:06:43,170
still at the war and my mother had a

1290
01:06:50,750 --> 01:06:45,870
little girl to raise it was just 18

1291
01:06:52,400 --> 01:06:50,760
months old and me and one servant and

1292
01:06:54,440 --> 01:06:52,410
that was it and she just became

1293
01:07:00,260 --> 01:06:54,450
completely exhausted ended up in a rest

1294
01:07:04,570 --> 01:07:00,270
home but what happened then in my mind

1295
01:07:08,660 --> 01:07:04,580
as I looked at this picture was really

1296
01:07:10,730 --> 01:07:08,670
profound because I suddenly realized

1297
01:07:14,030 --> 01:07:10,740
that it had something to do with

1298
01:07:17,300 --> 01:07:14,040
something that happened to me is in a

1299
01:07:19,450 --> 01:07:17,310
very young age which is that I was

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01:07:23,240 --> 01:07:19,460
apparently dropped on my head

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01:07:25,430 --> 01:07:23,250
and I have an injury in my in my neck

1302
01:07:28,310 --> 01:07:25,440
that indicates that this happened and

1303
01:07:30,800 --> 01:07:28,320
it's a typical of it but it's a typical

1304
01:07:32,690 --> 01:07:30,810
battered child injury the doctors have

1305
01:07:34,580 --> 01:07:32,700
who've seen it have said there's no

1306
01:07:37,700 --> 01:07:34,590
question about it it's a head drop

1307
01:07:39,800 --> 01:07:37,710
that's what happened to you if I fell I

1308
01:07:42,320 --> 01:07:39,810
don't know but I have a feeling and I

1309
01:07:44,090 --> 01:07:42,330
did not and I have a feeling my momma

1310
01:07:47,080 --> 01:07:44,100
bright it ended up in that rest home

1311
01:07:54,220 --> 01:07:47,090
because she just lost it at some point

1312
01:08:01,160 --> 01:07:54,230
and this left me in a incredible state

1313
01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:01,170
because a lot of my life the insecurity

1314
01:08:07,010 --> 01:08:05,010
of my life but also a lot of the things

1315
01:08:08,990 --> 01:08:07,020
that have happened to me because people

1316
01:08:12,170 --> 01:08:09,000
who have these head injuries

1317
01:08:14,870 --> 01:08:12,180
do have it does break open the head

1318
01:08:16,880 --> 01:08:14,880
literally I mean literally I know and

1319
01:08:18,710 --> 01:08:16,890
they are like Damien Damien Brinkley

1320
01:08:22,220 --> 01:08:18,720
you've gotten zapped by lightning these

1321
01:08:25,880 --> 01:08:22,230
shocks make a difference they do open

1322
01:08:29,090 --> 01:08:25,890
doors and that happened to me and maybe

1323
01:08:32,120 --> 01:08:29,100
so maybe this hard thing that happened

1324
01:08:34,760 --> 01:08:32,130
to me was also what blessed me with the

1325
01:08:35,930 --> 01:08:34,770
most extraordinary life experience I can

1326
01:08:42,440 --> 01:08:35,940
possibly imagine

1327
01:08:50,210 --> 01:08:42,450
or one of the things so I was left with

1328
01:08:55,039 --> 01:08:50,220
a new level of feeling of love for my

1329
01:08:57,200 --> 01:08:55,049
mother a sense of sympathy because I

1330
01:08:59,420 --> 01:08:57,210
knew what she had gone through and

1331
01:09:04,220 --> 01:08:59,430
unsureness because I can't be certain

1332
01:09:09,920 --> 01:09:04,230
I'm right about this and I need to

1333
01:09:13,999 --> 01:09:09,930
forgive that even though I don't know a

1334
01:09:18,410 --> 01:09:14,009
final truth about it I had I came to a

1335
01:09:21,860 --> 01:09:18,420
place in myself where forgiveness is not

1336
01:09:24,800 --> 01:09:21,870
something you do it's part of what you

1337
01:09:26,690 --> 01:09:24,810
are and you have to bring that into

1338
01:09:29,599 --> 01:09:26,700
yourself and make it part of what you

1339
01:09:32,210 --> 01:09:29,609
are so it was a very powerful learning

1340
01:09:36,470 --> 01:09:32,220
experience that evening with an did you

1341
01:09:39,530 --> 01:09:36,480
very powerful and diesel do you feel the

1342
01:09:39,800 --> 01:09:39,540
weight lifted I mean it's ammonia isn't

1343
01:09:42,769 --> 01:09:39,810
it

1344
01:09:45,019 --> 01:09:42,779
Oh tremendous weight was lifted right a

1345
01:09:47,120 --> 01:09:45,029
weight I didn't even know I was carrying

1346
01:09:50,420 --> 01:09:47,130
right right so this is the kind of

1347
01:09:54,019 --> 01:09:50,430
burden I mean this is a life is a very

1348
01:09:58,760 --> 01:09:54,029
profound experience it's very beautiful

1349
01:10:01,610 --> 01:09:58,770
and we you know we're struggling along

1350
01:10:06,080 --> 01:10:01,620
worrying about our taxes politics the

1351
01:10:07,910 --> 01:10:06,090
car breaks down people are gossiping

1352
01:10:11,840 --> 01:10:07,920
about you all this stuff's going on

1353
01:10:14,270 --> 01:10:11,850
constantly endlessly you know your socks

1354
01:10:16,460 --> 01:10:14,280
go down your socks go up your kids get

1355
01:10:19,460 --> 01:10:16,470
into trouble but not this that the other

1356
01:10:22,229 --> 01:10:19,470
thing we're very busy but behind all of

1357
01:10:24,330 --> 01:10:22,239
that busyness deepens

1358
01:10:30,270 --> 01:10:24,340
- deep inside every single one of us

1359
01:10:32,580 --> 01:10:30,280
there is a deep abiding joy and an lived

1360
01:10:37,319 --> 01:10:32,590
there if you were with her for a little

1361
01:10:38,819 --> 01:10:37,329
while you you went there to you you she

1362
01:10:42,120 --> 01:10:38,829
could take you there just by the way she

1363
01:10:44,910 --> 01:10:42,130
was and I mean I'm not saying she was

1364
01:10:47,220 --> 01:10:44,920
some kind of a grew not at all she was a

1365
01:10:50,759 --> 01:10:47,230
very ordinary human being from a humble

1366
01:10:52,500 --> 01:10:50,769
home in in Michigan there was nothing

1367
01:10:57,020 --> 01:10:52,510
special about it any more than there is

1368
01:11:01,529 --> 01:10:57,030
about me or anybody for that matter but

1369
01:11:04,399 --> 01:11:01,539
she had this ability to live from the

1370
01:11:06,899 --> 01:11:04,409
joy of life and you guys made a deal

1371
01:11:10,049 --> 01:11:06,909
that's the thing though you guys made a

1372
01:11:13,470 --> 01:11:10,059
deal and and she held up to her end of

1373
01:11:15,989 --> 01:11:13,480
the bargain right and that's what we we

1374
01:11:23,430 --> 01:11:15,999
made a plan and I I think we made a plan

1375
01:11:29,580 --> 01:11:23,440
I the thing was that she uh she um after

1376
01:11:31,200 --> 01:11:29,590
she died I was just you know some of you

1377
01:11:33,319 --> 01:11:31,210
I'm sure listening have had an

1378
01:11:37,410 --> 01:11:33,329
experience like that in your life of

1379
01:11:39,569 --> 01:11:37,420
someone very dear to you but and dying

1380
01:11:41,850 --> 01:11:39,579
and you know and that person might been

1381
01:11:44,970 --> 01:11:41,860
like n like there was like the center of

1382
01:11:48,419 --> 01:11:44,980
my heart and soul and right my wife and

1383
01:11:53,759 --> 01:11:48,429
the incredible love there there between

1384
01:11:56,569 --> 01:11:53,769
us and the next thing I knew I was

1385
01:12:02,279 --> 01:11:56,579
sitting in the in the living room just

1386
01:12:05,250 --> 01:12:02,289
devastated I did not know how I would go

1387
01:12:08,310 --> 01:12:05,260
on with life I was begging to die with

1388
01:12:09,979 --> 01:12:08,320
her actually begging God to let me die

1389
01:12:14,370 --> 01:12:09,989
too

1390
01:12:17,189 --> 01:12:14,380
and the phone rang I thought oh god

1391
01:12:19,770 --> 01:12:17,199
that's a last thing I need if this is a

1392
01:12:22,439 --> 01:12:19,780
this is a telemarketer they're going to

1393
01:12:25,290 --> 01:12:22,449
hear something from me a favor I will

1394
01:12:27,600 --> 01:12:25,300
not forget so I picked the phone up and

1395
01:12:30,959 --> 01:12:27,610
it's a friend Bell there's her name

1396
01:12:33,060 --> 01:12:30,969
friend of Ann's and put out a call on

1397
01:12:35,219 --> 01:12:33,070
dream land one time we're living in Los

1398
01:12:36,030 --> 01:12:35,229
Angeles now we don't have any friends we

1399
01:12:38,070 --> 01:12:36,040
want friends

1400
01:12:39,810 --> 01:12:38,080
and Belle and her husband Jim have been

1401
01:12:43,860 --> 01:12:39,820
close friends ever since

1402
01:12:45,840 --> 01:12:43,870
and because they answered the call sent

1403
01:12:49,290 --> 01:12:45,850
us an email and say we live here too and

1404
01:12:50,760 --> 01:12:49,300
we'd like to meet you and so we went of

1405
01:12:53,250 --> 01:12:50,770
course I was totally against the whole

1406
01:12:55,830 --> 01:12:53,260
thing of figuring that we'd get in

1407
01:12:58,590 --> 01:12:55,840
involved with nuts and crazies or people

1408
01:13:00,960 --> 01:12:58,600
who wanted to do us harm but Ann said no

1409
01:13:02,640 --> 01:13:00,970
I know what I know exactly what will

1410
01:13:04,230 --> 01:13:02,650
happen these people are wonderful people

1411
01:13:06,780 --> 01:13:04,240
and we'll have a wonderful time and so

1412
01:13:07,710 --> 01:13:06,790
we had which is proved to be true anyway

1413
01:13:12,420 --> 01:13:07,720
Belle calls

1414
01:13:13,950 --> 01:13:12,430
she says Whitley I just heard Anne tell

1415
01:13:16,440 --> 01:13:13,960
me that I should call you and I was

1416
01:13:18,780 --> 01:13:16,450
sitting there in the chair saying Eddie

1417
01:13:21,840 --> 01:13:18,790
or do you still exist who you still here

1418
01:13:24,480 --> 01:13:21,850
in anyway and I thought to myself and

1419
01:13:26,100 --> 01:13:24,490
then Belle pauses and she says is she

1420
01:13:26,520 --> 01:13:26,110
alright cuz she knew Anne was sick of

1421
01:13:29,790 --> 01:13:26,530
course

1422
01:13:33,600 --> 01:13:29,800
and I said Belle and died an hour and a

1423
01:13:37,200 --> 01:13:33,610
half ago and there was this silence and

1424
01:13:42,960 --> 01:13:37,210
we were just kind of in awe and it kept

1425
01:13:46,170 --> 01:13:42,970
happening and eventually I remembered or

1426
01:13:50,040 --> 01:13:46,180
think I remembered a time back in the

1427
01:13:52,850 --> 01:13:50,050
early 90s when we were realizing that

1428
01:13:55,890 --> 01:13:52,860
the whole host encounter experience was

1429
01:13:58,020 --> 01:13:55,900
involved with contact between the living

1430
01:14:02,220 --> 01:13:58,030
in the what we call the dead right right

1431
01:14:02,970 --> 01:14:02,230
that we made a plan to try to contact

1432
01:14:08,130 --> 01:14:02,980
each other

1433
01:14:10,410 --> 01:14:08,140
whichever one died first and we were

1434
01:14:11,940 --> 01:14:10,420
decided that we would not try to do it

1435
01:14:12,690 --> 01:14:11,950
directly because we're both too

1436
01:14:14,670 --> 01:14:12,700
skeptical

1437
01:14:16,260 --> 01:14:14,680
I mean if Anne had tried to do it

1438
01:14:17,610 --> 01:14:16,270
directly I never would have the book had

1439
01:14:19,260 --> 01:14:17,620
never been written I wouldn't I would

1440
01:14:24,360 --> 01:14:19,270
have been always suspicious that it was

1441
01:14:26,340 --> 01:14:24,370
my imagination borning her and she was

1442
01:14:29,790 --> 01:14:26,350
the same way even more so if anything

1443
01:14:33,780 --> 01:14:29,800
and so our plan was that we would go to

1444
01:14:35,820 --> 01:14:33,790
friends first only we told no one about

1445
01:14:38,370 --> 01:14:35,830
this not even our son we kept it in

1446
01:14:39,810 --> 01:14:38,380
entirely and completely to ourselves to

1447
01:14:41,280 --> 01:14:39,820
the point that you know we didn't

1448
01:14:43,110 --> 01:14:41,290
discuss it for years and I really kind

1449
01:14:44,670 --> 01:14:43,120
of forgot about it until it kept

1450
01:14:49,990 --> 01:14:44,680
happening and then suddenly I remembered

1451
01:14:53,860 --> 01:14:50,000
oh my god hen is carrying out the plan

1452
01:14:56,530 --> 01:14:53,870
and once I remembered that then the

1453
01:15:03,730 --> 01:14:56,540
contacts starting to become direct with

1454
01:15:06,610 --> 01:15:03,740
me now how how so many have had somebody

1455
01:15:10,080 --> 01:15:06,620
close to them you know pass away my mom

1456
01:15:13,720 --> 01:15:10,090
passed away almost two years ago now and

1457
01:15:16,480 --> 01:15:13,730
if anybody was going to come back and

1458
01:15:20,170 --> 01:15:16,490
visit me to be her right trust me on

1459
01:15:22,720 --> 01:15:20,180
this one she hasn't yet but there is

1460
01:15:26,890 --> 01:15:22,730
when we talk about the the weight being

1461
01:15:29,050 --> 01:15:26,900
lifted up until her death I would have

1462
01:15:31,450 --> 01:15:29,060
these dreams I'm not going to go into it

1463
01:15:33,640 --> 01:15:31,460
but that were bordering you know

1464
01:15:35,290 --> 01:15:33,650
nightmare they weren't fun dreams and

1465
01:15:40,480 --> 01:15:35,300
there were dreams about interaction

1466
01:15:42,970 --> 01:15:40,490
between me and my mom and after after

1467
01:15:45,820 --> 01:15:42,980
she passed I have not had those dreams I

1468
01:15:49,570 --> 01:15:45,830
have not had it was a weight lifted off

1469
01:15:51,910 --> 01:15:49,580
of me in a strange way right but she has

1470
01:15:55,690 --> 01:15:51,920
not come back and and said hello and

1471
01:15:57,610 --> 01:15:55,700
I've been expecting it Whitley have you

1472
01:15:58,840 --> 01:15:57,620
been expecting it or hoping for we can't

1473
01:16:01,210 --> 01:15:58,850
be passive toward it

1474
01:16:04,930 --> 01:16:01,220
you know you get into the book and

1475
01:16:07,240 --> 01:16:04,940
you'll find ways of that of doing things

1476
01:16:10,510 --> 01:16:07,250
you'll find the sensing exercise and by

1477
01:16:12,310 --> 01:16:10,520
the way folks if you you hear me talking

1478
01:16:14,650 --> 01:16:12,320
about this sensing exercise a lot of

1479
01:16:18,430 --> 01:16:14,660
people heard me on COEs talk about it in

1480
01:16:21,100 --> 01:16:18,440
the year-end dreamland which is a huge

1481
01:16:24,250 --> 01:16:21,110
show with all kinds of guests lasts two

1482
01:16:27,970 --> 01:16:24,260
hours we put it on from December the

1483
01:16:29,530 --> 01:16:27,980
22nd this year until after New Year's so

1484
01:16:31,570 --> 01:16:29,540
you got plenty of time to listen at the

1485
01:16:34,420 --> 01:16:31,580
end of that show I will do the sensing

1486
01:16:37,660 --> 01:16:34,430
exercise so you can learn it and do it

1487
01:16:40,120 --> 01:16:37,670
too and it's extremely simple but anyway

1488
01:16:42,430 --> 01:16:40,130
you got to be active you know you had a

1489
01:16:45,490 --> 01:16:42,440
try you can't just wait you wait you

1490
01:16:47,200 --> 01:16:45,500
wait forever well so ok there's the

1491
01:16:49,980 --> 01:16:47,210
sensing exercise what else

1492
01:16:52,210 --> 01:16:49,990
you know you know that there are

1493
01:16:55,030 --> 01:16:52,220
thousands of people right now listening

1494
01:16:57,130 --> 01:16:55,040
to you and I that are going okay I need

1495
01:16:58,900 --> 01:16:57,140
this infra mine I want to make that

1496
01:17:02,140 --> 01:16:58,910
contact it hasn't happened everybody

1497
01:17:03,159 --> 01:17:02,150
else is enjoying it I want to enjoy this

1498
01:17:06,839 --> 01:17:03,169
too

1499
01:17:10,089 --> 01:17:06,849
so well the first thing is that you know

1500
01:17:13,509 --> 01:17:10,099
everything comes to the one who waits

1501
01:17:15,580 --> 01:17:13,519
well that's an old old saying and it's

1502
01:17:17,649 --> 01:17:15,590
true and you have to be very patient

1503
01:17:22,149 --> 01:17:17,659
both with yourself and with the universe

1504
01:17:24,939 --> 01:17:22,159
around you right and to know that things

1505
01:17:27,459 --> 01:17:24,949
may happen and may not happen and

1506
01:17:30,219 --> 01:17:27,469
sometimes this is very subtle and it's

1507
01:17:33,009 --> 01:17:30,229
hard to notice I'm things passed by me

1508
01:17:34,719 --> 01:17:33,019
all the time and I think later I wonder

1509
01:17:37,259 --> 01:17:34,729
if that was any trying to communicate

1510
01:17:44,139 --> 01:17:37,269
with me and sometimes probably it was

1511
01:17:46,449 --> 01:17:44,149
but the main thing is that you have to

1512
01:17:49,479 --> 01:17:46,459
be in a state of what the catholics call

1513
01:17:52,509 --> 01:17:49,489
a state of grace which is where you

1514
01:17:55,959 --> 01:17:52,519
don't have anything that you would like

1515
01:18:00,009 --> 01:17:55,969
to hide from God if you just can become

1516
01:18:02,049 --> 01:18:00,019
more open you can be inside yourself and

1517
01:18:04,569 --> 01:18:02,059
that doesn't necessarily mean things

1518
01:18:06,459 --> 01:18:04,579
that you did that were bad there's stuff

1519
01:18:08,799 --> 01:18:06,469
between you and your mom of some kind

1520
01:18:11,889 --> 01:18:08,809
that you've got to find out Jimmy you

1521
01:18:15,520 --> 01:18:11,899
got to do this and those dreams you're

1522
01:18:18,879 --> 01:18:15,530
trying to go back and ask yourself what

1523
01:18:21,819 --> 01:18:18,889
they meant and see if they don't return

1524
01:18:24,250 --> 01:18:21,829
again in some different way with a

1525
01:18:26,679 --> 01:18:24,260
little more explanatory information so

1526
01:18:28,629 --> 01:18:26,689
that you can understand what's going on

1527
01:18:31,000 --> 01:18:28,639
there because something's going on there

1528
01:18:33,009 --> 01:18:31,010
and you need to look at that

1529
01:18:34,959 --> 01:18:33,019
or they wouldn't have been there and

1530
01:18:38,919 --> 01:18:34,969
they have something there's a message

1531
01:18:41,620 --> 01:18:38,929
that now that your mom is gone whatever

1532
01:18:45,609 --> 01:18:41,630
was this nightmarish edge to these

1533
01:18:47,290 --> 01:18:45,619
dreams is no longer possible so it's you

1534
01:18:49,389 --> 01:18:47,300
know you that's something you have to

1535
01:18:51,459 --> 01:18:49,399
look through and don't be afraid if it's

1536
01:18:54,729 --> 01:18:51,469
some negative thing between you and your

1537
01:18:57,250 --> 01:18:54,739
mother there's no one born who doesn't

1538
01:18:59,770 --> 01:18:57,260
have negative stuff between him/her and

1539
01:19:00,729 --> 01:18:59,780
his parent and their parents that is a

1540
01:19:04,029 --> 01:19:00,739
fact

1541
01:19:06,489 --> 01:19:04,039
we all do right right and some some of

1542
01:19:09,250 --> 01:19:06,499
its runs so deep we can't even like in

1543
01:19:11,199 --> 01:19:09,260
my case we can't even see it because you

1544
01:19:15,729 --> 01:19:11,209
know my mama was a wonderful woman

1545
01:19:17,089 --> 01:19:15,739
and she was she was the only one who

1546
01:19:21,290 --> 01:19:17,099
figured out I'm

1547
01:19:24,229 --> 01:19:21,300
unusually bright and my she was the only

1548
01:19:29,089 --> 01:19:24,239
one in the family who really really got

1549
01:19:33,200 --> 01:19:29,099
that and she when I was 11 she bought me

1550
01:19:35,589 --> 01:19:33,210
this magnificent set of books called the

1551
01:19:39,439 --> 01:19:35,599
great books of the Western world

1552
01:19:43,640 --> 01:19:39,449
fifty-two volumes I think with everyone

1553
01:19:48,200 --> 01:19:43,650
from Homer to Einstein in the books and

1554
01:19:50,030 --> 01:19:48,210
I just devoured those books I didn't

1555
01:19:53,270 --> 01:19:50,040
read them all of course but I read lots

1556
01:19:56,359 --> 01:19:53,280
lots of parts of lots of them and my

1557
01:19:58,700 --> 01:19:56,369
whole intellectual journey started there

1558
01:20:02,419 --> 01:19:58,710
so this was a good woman I'm not I don't

1559
01:20:04,129 --> 01:20:02,429
wanna I'm saying that what happened

1560
01:20:06,620 --> 01:20:04,139
between us when I was very little I

1561
01:20:10,220 --> 01:20:06,630
regard is if it did happen that way it's

1562
01:20:12,979 --> 01:20:10,230
just an aberration or a or a moment of

1563
01:20:15,290 --> 01:20:12,989
exhaustion oh and also a message I mean

1564
01:20:19,040 --> 01:20:15,300
you got the message you figured I got

1565
01:20:20,540 --> 01:20:19,050
the message right I want you to when we

1566
01:20:22,399 --> 01:20:20,550
go to a break I'm looking at this

1567
01:20:25,010 --> 01:20:22,409
picture now somebody just posted this on

1568
01:20:27,830 --> 01:20:25,020
Twitter and you're copied on it so you

1569
01:20:31,640 --> 01:20:27,840
can see it but anyway it's a it's a

1570
01:20:35,689 --> 01:20:31,650
photograph it's taken last year it's

1571
01:20:38,300 --> 01:20:35,699
myself and George Noory we're doing a

1572
01:20:40,760 --> 01:20:38,310
panel and I think it's George's panel

1573
01:20:42,350 --> 01:20:40,770
and anyway so George and I are up at the

1574
01:20:45,589 --> 01:20:42,360
podium talking in this picture and

1575
01:20:49,790 --> 01:20:45,599
there's uh okay I think it's David

1576
01:20:51,830 --> 01:20:49,800
Wilcock it looks like nassim haramein I

1577
01:20:55,790 --> 01:20:51,840
think is next and then there's Dan Yin

1578
01:20:59,689 --> 01:20:55,800
right right and lor eisenhower you're

1579
01:21:01,580 --> 01:20:59,699
not there and we were waiting for you to

1580
01:21:04,729 --> 01:21:01,590
show up and you remember you were late

1581
01:21:06,500 --> 01:21:04,739
right so I'm up with George kind of

1582
01:21:08,899 --> 01:21:06,510
delaying things wait conscious life

1583
01:21:10,550 --> 01:21:08,909
exposure I got fired they don't have me

1584
01:21:13,370 --> 01:21:10,560
there anything else because you were

1585
01:21:15,430 --> 01:21:13,380
late man so mostly no but I'm not gonna

1586
01:21:18,319 --> 01:21:15,440
be there anymore I don't think okay well

1587
01:21:20,540 --> 01:21:18,329
but anyway do you see the comment here

1588
01:21:24,050 --> 01:21:20,550
it says Whitley was about to arrive and

1589
01:21:27,740 --> 01:21:24,060
sit at the far left when he sat down I

1590
01:21:30,580 --> 01:21:27,750
saw a female shadow a female shadow

1591
01:21:33,190 --> 01:21:30,590
being torso twice appeared directly

1592
01:21:36,790 --> 01:21:33,200
behind Whitley almost directly out of

1593
01:21:39,850 --> 01:21:36,800
his shoulders against the backdrop do

1594
01:21:41,650 --> 01:21:39,860
you remember anything strange no but he

1595
01:21:43,270 --> 01:21:41,660
doesn't surprise me people see that sort

1596
01:21:46,900 --> 01:21:43,280
of thing around me all the time right

1597
01:21:49,090 --> 01:21:46,910
and sometimes I do feel it but I didn't

1598
01:21:50,650 --> 01:21:49,100
then what was happening to me then was I

1599
01:21:52,090 --> 01:21:50,660
was running frantically through the

1600
01:21:55,990 --> 01:21:52,100
place because I got the schedule all

1601
01:21:57,670 --> 01:21:56,000
messed up and that that empty chair was

1602
01:22:01,150 --> 01:21:57,680
about to be filled by a desperately

1603
01:22:03,010 --> 01:22:01,160
running man remember that was what I was

1604
01:22:04,720 --> 01:22:03,020
thinking about and I'm not surprised

1605
01:22:07,750 --> 01:22:04,730
though because people see those things

1606
01:22:09,670 --> 01:22:07,760
they see little orbs of light and

1607
01:22:11,860 --> 01:22:09,680
sometimes they take pictures of him

1608
01:22:14,830 --> 01:22:11,870
Annie but a lot of pictures people took

1609
01:22:19,000 --> 01:22:14,840
of Annie had those orbs around them her

1610
01:22:19,930 --> 01:22:19,010
right and so yeah that stuff happens I'm

1611
01:22:24,730 --> 01:22:19,940
not surprised

1612
01:22:26,620 --> 01:22:24,740
now I wanted to talk about a couple of

1613
01:22:31,650 --> 01:22:26,630
chapters in the book and before we hit

1614
01:22:36,040 --> 01:22:31,660
this next break I think this is chapter

1615
01:22:36,540 --> 01:22:36,050
four which is titled Whitley I need your

1616
01:22:40,060 --> 01:22:36,550
help

1617
01:22:42,570 --> 01:22:40,070
yeah okay now let's set this up I want

1618
01:22:46,060 --> 01:22:42,580
to talk about a little bit more after

1619
01:22:50,250 --> 01:22:46,070
the break but set it set us up this

1620
01:22:53,650 --> 01:22:50,260
chapter well what happened was we were

1621
01:22:58,570 --> 01:22:53,660
it was a perfectly normal nice day in

1622
01:23:00,370 --> 01:22:58,580
October of 2004 and we were we went we'd

1623
01:23:02,770 --> 01:23:00,380
spent the afternoon with our kids and we

1624
01:23:04,990 --> 01:23:02,780
went to the apartment we were staying in

1625
01:23:11,110 --> 01:23:05,000
Arad Lea enough on Whitley Street in

1626
01:23:14,800 --> 01:23:11,120
West Hollywood in the Hills and we

1627
01:23:17,170 --> 01:23:14,810
walked in and art called on coast to

1628
01:23:19,600 --> 01:23:17,180
coast a.m. and at the same time that the

1629
01:23:22,000 --> 01:23:19,610
call came in and he said quickly I need

1630
01:23:23,470 --> 01:23:22,010
your help and I looked and she was

1631
01:23:26,800 --> 01:23:23,480
standing in the bathroom and shower legs

1632
01:23:31,000 --> 01:23:26,810
were buckling and I said and just

1633
01:23:34,240 --> 01:23:31,010
collapsed I got to go click and went in

1634
01:23:37,210 --> 01:23:34,250
and helped her down and made sure her

1635
01:23:40,960 --> 01:23:37,220
head did not hit hard against the floor

1636
01:23:42,460 --> 01:23:40,970
it was very important I didn't know

1637
01:23:44,260 --> 01:23:42,470
whether I had a wife anymore or not I

1638
01:23:46,320 --> 01:23:44,270
what was happening I was completely

1639
01:23:49,870 --> 01:23:46,330
we shocked out of my mind by this I

1640
01:23:52,390 --> 01:23:49,880
immediately got made sure she had an

1641
01:23:54,130 --> 01:23:52,400
airway started to give her CPR I

1642
01:23:57,250 --> 01:23:54,140
realized it wasn't necessary she was

1643
01:23:58,870 --> 01:23:57,260
still breathing called EMS then called

1644
01:24:02,860 --> 01:23:58,880
my son tell told him to come over

1645
01:24:08,830 --> 01:24:02,870
immediately and that was the beginning

1646
01:24:15,010 --> 01:24:08,840
of the adventure that led to her and de

1647
01:24:19,180 --> 01:24:15,020
and more importantly to the core of the

1648
01:24:22,600 --> 01:24:19,190
afterlife revolution which is that

1649
01:24:26,860 --> 01:24:22,610
people are routinely brought back from

1650
01:24:32,400 --> 01:24:26,870
the dead nowadays as we point out in the

1651
01:24:35,350 --> 01:24:32,410
book in the old days people who had to

1652
01:24:37,060 --> 01:24:35,360
intentionally tempt death some Indian

1653
01:24:39,760 --> 01:24:37,070
tribes in the United States Native

1654
01:24:42,160 --> 01:24:39,770
American tribes the ritual would be if

1655
01:24:44,770 --> 01:24:42,170
you wanted to be a medicine person you

1656
01:24:47,230 --> 01:24:44,780
had to jump off a cliff and if you lived

1657
01:24:50,710 --> 01:24:47,240
you you were right that was your calling

1658
01:24:52,110 --> 01:24:50,720
right and if you died well try again

1659
01:24:57,430 --> 01:24:52,120
next a better luck next time

1660
01:24:59,350 --> 01:24:57,440
but you had to tempt death and this is a

1661
01:25:01,390 --> 01:24:59,360
rare thing it's not something people do

1662
01:25:03,880 --> 01:25:01,400
every day and not too many people are

1663
01:25:07,470 --> 01:25:03,890
willing to put their lives on the line

1664
01:25:15,010 --> 01:25:07,480
for something like that and any culture

1665
01:25:18,490 --> 01:25:15,020
but now every day people go into a

1666
01:25:21,040 --> 01:25:18,500
deeper deeper into the world of the dead

1667
01:25:24,100 --> 01:25:21,050
than anyone ever could in the past even

1668
01:25:25,750 --> 01:25:24,110
with these near-death with these

1669
01:25:29,710 --> 01:25:25,760
tempting zuv death because if they went

1670
01:25:32,170 --> 01:25:29,720
as far as and went for example now they

1671
01:25:34,750 --> 01:25:32,180
would never come back before medicine

1672
01:25:37,030 --> 01:25:34,760
modern medicine right right but an was

1673
01:25:40,210 --> 01:25:37,040
brought back and millions of people are

1674
01:25:42,490 --> 01:25:40,220
brought back you know we've got millions

1675
01:25:45,310 --> 01:25:42,500
of shaman now because all these people

1676
01:25:47,560 --> 01:25:45,320
who were being brought back and coming

1677
01:25:50,620 --> 01:25:47,570
forth with their near-death experiences

1678
01:25:52,480 --> 01:25:50,630
to them families or sometimes they write

1679
01:25:55,630 --> 01:25:52,490
books about them or talk about them or

1680
01:25:57,640 --> 01:25:55,640
whatever these are the new shaman these

1681
01:25:58,180 --> 01:25:57,650
are the people who are leaving us in the

1682
01:26:01,750 --> 01:25:58,190
after

1683
01:26:07,479 --> 01:26:01,760
revolution an an was one of them one of

1684
01:26:13,600 --> 01:26:07,489
millions when she now this happened in

1685
01:26:17,320 --> 01:26:13,610
2004 now yeah the the contact that one

1686
01:26:21,040 --> 01:26:17,330
has with somebody close to them that has

1687
01:26:25,270 --> 01:26:21,050
passed does that because that was in

1688
01:26:27,370 --> 01:26:25,280
2004 she passed last year and you're

1689
01:26:32,310 --> 01:26:27,380
still having contact does that contact

1690
01:26:35,860 --> 01:26:32,320
happen is it consistent or do does the

1691
01:26:40,600 --> 01:26:35,870
does the person on the other side

1692
01:26:42,700 --> 01:26:40,610
eventually go beyond the ability of of

1693
01:26:46,750 --> 01:26:42,710
contact you know is there someplace oh

1694
01:26:49,840 --> 01:26:46,760
well it depends on the situation like

1695
01:26:52,000 --> 01:26:49,850
Annie is not as she puts it I'm not an

1696
01:26:58,060 --> 01:26:52,010
any more but I'll be I always be ant for

1697
01:27:00,340 --> 01:26:58,070
you and she wants to remain with me and

1698
01:27:03,370 --> 01:27:00,350
I want to remain with her we've made

1699
01:27:05,290 --> 01:27:03,380
this pact together this decision that we

1700
01:27:08,740 --> 01:27:05,300
probably made even before we were born I

1701
01:27:13,540 --> 01:27:08,750
don't know but the idea here is that we

1702
01:27:16,180 --> 01:27:13,550
would stay in contact and it's just the

1703
01:27:21,189 --> 01:27:16,190
other night I had a what I call an an

1704
01:27:23,500 --> 01:27:21,199
dream where I am I'm trying to get to

1705
01:27:26,080 --> 01:27:23,510
and and some of these have been really

1706
01:27:29,320 --> 01:27:26,090
extraordinary this one was beautiful but

1707
01:27:35,500 --> 01:27:29,330
it it wasn't what happened was I was in

1708
01:27:39,670 --> 01:27:35,510
a town and the vault of the sky was a

1709
01:27:44,550 --> 01:27:39,680
very special blue that I call ascension

1710
01:27:48,100 --> 01:27:44,560
blue it is the most beautiful blue pure

1711
01:27:51,970 --> 01:27:48,110
blue with white blue white light it's

1712
01:27:57,100 --> 01:27:51,980
gorgeous beyond belief and that's the

1713
01:27:58,990 --> 01:27:57,110
level that Anne is in and is now and I

1714
01:28:02,260 --> 01:27:59,000
wanted to get up there I finally I

1715
01:28:03,820 --> 01:28:02,270
climbed up in a tree and I got way up

1716
01:28:06,790 --> 01:28:03,830
into the top of the tree and I was

1717
01:28:09,130 --> 01:28:06,800
trying to just make myself light enough

1718
01:28:10,900 --> 01:28:09,140
so I could move so I could have said

1719
01:28:16,060 --> 01:28:10,910
that I couldn't do

1720
01:28:18,459 --> 01:28:16,070
and I finally went down and there were

1721
01:28:22,560 --> 01:28:18,469
these people there who were very sweet

1722
01:28:27,880 --> 01:28:22,570
who I think I know from some level but I

1723
01:28:30,669 --> 01:28:27,890
but not not uh uh I can't say that I

1724
01:28:32,350 --> 01:28:30,679
know them in this life but I they felt

1725
01:28:35,620 --> 01:28:32,360
had a very friendly for me to reveal to

1726
01:28:42,070 --> 01:28:35,630
him and they were comforting me and

1727
01:28:46,750 --> 01:28:42,080
saying you you just have to be patient

1728
01:28:47,530 --> 01:28:46,760
with yourself you'll be fine so that

1729
01:28:49,390 --> 01:28:47,540
happened

1730
01:28:52,150 --> 01:28:49,400
yeah happens all the time I'm trying

1731
01:28:55,120 --> 01:28:52,160
hard to get to the next level even in

1732
01:28:56,560 --> 01:28:55,130
this life because Jesus said you know we

1733
01:28:58,060 --> 01:28:56,570
could enter the kingdom of heaven while

1734
01:28:58,510 --> 01:28:58,070
we were still alive we didn't have to

1735
01:29:01,240 --> 01:28:58,520
wait

1736
01:29:03,820 --> 01:29:01,250
so I'm trying easier said than done

1737
01:29:05,470 --> 01:29:03,830
Whitley well may be easier said than

1738
01:29:07,689 --> 01:29:05,480
done but that doesn't mean you can't try

1739
01:29:09,310 --> 01:29:07,699
that's right you shouldn't try this is

1740
01:29:11,459 --> 01:29:09,320
fade to black our guest tonight Whitley

1741
01:29:14,470 --> 01:29:11,469
Strieber the new book is the afterlife

1742
01:29:16,330 --> 01:29:14,480
revolution more with Whitley right after

1743
01:29:20,229 --> 01:29:16,340
this short break now Whitley you said

1744
01:29:21,939 --> 01:29:20,239
something very interesting you know what

1745
01:29:24,610 --> 01:29:21,949
I'm gonna ask the question when we

1746
01:29:26,590 --> 01:29:24,620
return out of time I got to take the

1747
01:29:27,850 --> 01:29:26,600
network break right here this is fade to

1748
01:29:29,470 --> 01:29:27,860
black our meals to be Church so I guess

1749
01:29:30,370 --> 01:29:29,480
tonight with these streamers stay with

1750
01:29:51,279 --> 01:29:30,380
us

1751
01:29:58,520 --> 01:29:54,489
way out here we listen to Jimmy Church

1752
01:30:00,799 --> 01:29:58,530
you're listening to fade to black always

1753
01:30:03,649 --> 01:30:00,809
on the edge of the hottest alternative

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01:30:22,879 --> 01:30:03,659
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01:30:26,629 --> 01:30:22,889
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1757
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1758
01:30:33,649 --> 01:30:31,169
this is Jimmy Church a fade to black and

1759
01:30:35,869 --> 01:30:33,659
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1760
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1761
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1762
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1780
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1781
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1798
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1809
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1810
01:32:46,689 --> 01:32:43,219
Network oh I'm realistic Jimmy Church

1811
01:32:49,660 --> 01:32:46,699
this is a revolution the revolution will

1812
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not be televised the revolution is on

1813
01:33:34,170 --> 01:33:26,820
[Music]

1814
01:33:37,780 --> 01:33:36,400
welcome back to fade to black I'm your

1815
01:33:41,050 --> 01:33:37,790
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1816
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1824
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afterlife revolution and Whitley the the

1825
01:34:15,610 --> 01:34:12,890
I think that most people have a vision

1826
01:34:18,850 --> 01:34:15,620
or dream which we have just been talking

1827
01:34:20,530 --> 01:34:18,860
about and Tonetta just sent me this

1828
01:34:23,950 --> 01:34:20,540
question and I don't know if you've seen

1829
01:34:27,940 --> 01:34:23,960
it but she says what isn't when you

1830
01:34:30,460 --> 01:34:27,950
dream of someone that you know but they

1831
01:34:33,870 --> 01:34:30,470
have a different face but you know that

1832
01:34:36,970 --> 01:34:33,880
it is them I think we've all had that

1833
01:34:39,070 --> 01:34:36,980
boy I wish Anne could tell me the answer

1834
01:34:42,580 --> 01:34:39,080
to this question she was a really expert

1835
01:34:47,350 --> 01:34:42,590
dream interpreter who never herself had

1836
01:34:49,090 --> 01:34:47,360
dreams she very rarely dreamed but you

1837
01:34:50,950 --> 01:34:49,100
know you say we've all had that happen

1838
01:34:55,840 --> 01:34:50,960
but I haven't I don't remember a dream

1839
01:34:59,530 --> 01:34:55,850
like that in my life what might it mean

1840
01:35:01,060 --> 01:34:59,540
no well I think I I have will tell you

1841
01:35:02,170 --> 01:35:01,070
this and I've got a feeling maybe Annie

1842
01:35:03,910 --> 01:35:02,180
is helping me here

1843
01:35:05,650 --> 01:35:03,920
then it might mean that what you're

1844
01:35:08,080 --> 01:35:05,660
looking at is a person that you've known

1845
01:35:12,040 --> 01:35:08,090
in another life right and you're seeing

1846
01:35:15,900 --> 01:35:12,050
them as they were in that life and have

1847
01:35:22,630 --> 01:35:15,910
you talked to her about reincarnation

1848
01:35:25,450 --> 01:35:22,640
yeah because he has she's basically said

1849
01:35:30,850 --> 01:35:25,460
that it happens when you're not finished

1850
01:35:34,090 --> 01:35:30,860
and she directed my attention to war and

1851
01:35:37,330 --> 01:35:34,100
to the fact that so many of the deaths

1852
01:35:40,300 --> 01:35:37,340
that people remember are violent and in

1853
01:35:42,250 --> 01:35:40,310
fact that one or two reincarnation the

1854
01:35:44,710 --> 01:35:42,260
s3 in reincarnation deaths that I

1855
01:35:46,410 --> 01:35:44,720
remember distinctly were all very

1856
01:35:50,640 --> 01:35:46,420
violent

1857
01:35:54,240 --> 01:35:50,650
I think that when we're not finished and

1858
01:35:55,830 --> 01:35:54,250
we die violently then we're reincarnated

1859
01:36:01,320 --> 01:35:55,840
and come back and we remember those

1860
01:36:03,660 --> 01:36:01,330
things so I think and I don't think that

1861
01:36:05,970 --> 01:36:03,670
everybody is reincarnated and Annie has

1862
01:36:07,950 --> 01:36:05,980
already said to me she's I'm not coming

1863
01:36:11,850 --> 01:36:07,960
back she's head and neither are you

1864
01:36:14,580 --> 01:36:11,860
so I learned something from that that I

1865
01:36:16,710 --> 01:36:14,590
will not be back here and that's fine

1866
01:36:20,070 --> 01:36:16,720
with me I've done this plenty of times I

1867
01:36:22,560 --> 01:36:20,080
have a couple of past life memories

1868
01:36:24,930 --> 01:36:22,570
dating back to ancient Rome and you know

1869
01:36:27,900 --> 01:36:24,940
that's enough I've been doing this for a

1870
01:36:30,390 --> 01:36:27,910
while I'd like to move on definitely I

1871
01:36:34,260 --> 01:36:30,400
want I want to ascend out of this level

1872
01:36:36,330 --> 01:36:34,270
very much and Annie has already and you

1873
01:36:39,450 --> 01:36:36,340
know I want to join her I want to join

1874
01:36:42,600 --> 01:36:39,460
her you said right before the break you

1875
01:36:46,770 --> 01:36:42,610
said something very interesting you said

1876
01:36:50,490 --> 01:36:46,780
that Ann said that she is not an anymore

1877
01:36:55,950 --> 01:36:50,500
right well what did you mean by that the

1878
01:37:00,180 --> 01:36:55,960
soul has a long shadow and when we pass

1879
01:37:04,560 --> 01:37:00,190
out of life all of the filters that are

1880
01:37:08,700 --> 01:37:04,570
in the brain are gone and all that is

1881
01:37:12,360 --> 01:37:08,710
left is what we truly are and that goes

1882
01:37:18,000 --> 01:37:12,370
back a long time for a lot of us for

1883
01:37:21,870 --> 01:37:18,010
most of us and Annie is that now she is

1884
01:37:26,460 --> 01:37:21,880
that her presence in the universe not

1885
01:37:30,120 --> 01:37:26,470
Ann but her essence lived so much in her

1886
01:37:34,350 --> 01:37:30,130
that when I am close to her I really

1887
01:37:37,710 --> 01:37:34,360
feel very strongly as if there's a sort

1888
01:37:40,620 --> 01:37:37,720
of deep rightness about what it was for

1889
01:37:44,930 --> 01:37:40,630
her to be an that she was expressing her

1890
01:37:47,820 --> 01:37:44,940
essential being in her personality which

1891
01:37:49,920 --> 01:37:47,830
would probably make her laugh to think

1892
01:37:53,310 --> 01:37:49,930
but it but that's the way I perceive it

1893
01:37:55,500 --> 01:37:53,320
so even though she's not an any more

1894
01:37:58,680 --> 01:37:55,510
she'll always be an for me and maybe a

1895
01:38:00,120 --> 01:37:58,690
lot of what she is this has a very

1896
01:38:06,060 --> 01:38:00,130
definite flavor of the

1897
01:38:09,330 --> 01:38:06,070
I knew as well is she happy uh yeah I

1898
01:38:14,790 --> 01:38:09,340
think she's she's very happy I think she

1899
01:38:19,680 --> 01:38:14,800
is living from joy and but I also think

1900
01:38:23,030 --> 01:38:19,690
that she is working here and eager to

1901
01:38:27,360 --> 01:38:23,040
work here this book had a very strange

1902
01:38:29,490 --> 01:38:27,370
life a very strange beginning for

1903
01:38:33,300 --> 01:38:29,500
example usually my books are published

1904
01:38:36,300 --> 01:38:33,310
by a regular publisher but for some

1905
01:38:38,550 --> 01:38:36,310
reason with this one everything went

1906
01:38:41,399 --> 01:38:38,560
wrong and I kept having the feeling the

1907
01:38:44,220 --> 01:38:41,409
strong feeling that it had to be out in

1908
01:38:46,890 --> 01:38:44,230
December of 2017 I was working

1909
01:38:49,260 --> 01:38:46,900
feverishly on it and I realized I'm not

1910
01:38:52,919 --> 01:38:49,270
gonna do this I'm not gonna get it out

1911
01:38:55,470 --> 01:38:52,929
in because I'm gonna have to submit it

1912
01:38:56,939 --> 01:38:55,480
in November and no one's gonna be the

1913
01:38:59,879 --> 01:38:56,949
earliest anyway we'll be able to get it

1914
01:39:03,240 --> 01:38:59,889
out as next spring and so my longtime

1915
01:39:07,050 --> 01:39:03,250
editor was gonna buy it and put it out

1916
01:39:11,280 --> 01:39:07,060
next fall Oh a year from now nearly a

1917
01:39:13,979 --> 01:39:11,290
year from now and something happened in

1918
01:39:19,229 --> 01:39:13,989
his life that made it impossible for him

1919
01:39:21,030 --> 01:39:19,239
to continue and so he was gone and then

1920
01:39:22,169 --> 01:39:21,040
one other publisher came forward but

1921
01:39:25,290 --> 01:39:22,179
they couldn't work it out until next

1922
01:39:28,080 --> 01:39:25,300
spring and I thought I just have a funny

1923
01:39:31,229 --> 01:39:28,090
feeling I need to do this now it's

1924
01:39:33,479 --> 01:39:31,239
important now for some reason and I have

1925
01:39:36,390 --> 01:39:33,489
a feeling 2018 might be a big here I

1926
01:39:38,820 --> 01:39:36,400
don't know why not for I mean a year of

1927
01:39:40,470 --> 01:39:38,830
a lot of change and that the books going

1928
01:39:43,560 --> 01:39:40,480
to become important because people

1929
01:39:45,840 --> 01:39:43,570
really do need to know how to make a

1930
01:39:49,169 --> 01:39:45,850
strong soul and you know we've been told

1931
01:39:53,459 --> 01:39:49,179
this many many times by different

1932
01:39:57,689 --> 01:39:53,469
religions but it it's not out there in

1933
01:40:00,120 --> 01:39:57,699
in the simple direct terms with which we

1934
01:40:01,110 --> 01:40:00,130
communicate with each other now in the

1935
01:40:03,689 --> 01:40:01,120
modern world

1936
01:40:06,660 --> 01:40:03,699
it's full of it's out there in poetry

1937
01:40:09,270 --> 01:40:06,670
and myth and and in the in the beautiful

1938
01:40:12,479 --> 01:40:09,280
words of the Gospels and in other

1939
01:40:14,070 --> 01:40:12,489
religious texts but it's simple and

1940
01:40:15,960 --> 01:40:14,080
straightforward

1941
01:40:17,820 --> 01:40:15,970
version of it is what is in the

1942
01:40:20,940 --> 01:40:17,830
afterlife revolution how to make a

1943
01:40:24,390 --> 01:40:20,950
strong soul it ain't hard right it just

1944
01:40:26,850 --> 01:40:24,400
takes a lot of work you know and it does

1945
01:40:28,560 --> 01:40:26,860
in the end and it's hard work and nobody

1946
01:40:30,390 --> 01:40:28,570
wants to do the hard work they want the

1947
01:40:31,910 --> 01:40:30,400
know well I don't know when you started

1948
01:40:35,070 --> 01:40:31,920
really getting into it it's really fun

1949
01:40:37,430 --> 01:40:35,080
it is but there's another part of this

1950
01:40:42,240 --> 01:40:37,440
though Whitley that goes with that and

1951
01:40:44,850 --> 01:40:42,250
we are taught to fear death I mean

1952
01:40:47,040 --> 01:40:44,860
that's a taught thing that's it's a

1953
01:40:48,600 --> 01:40:47,050
learned it's learned right right you're

1954
01:40:50,130 --> 01:40:48,610
gonna disappear from the face of the

1955
01:40:54,630 --> 01:40:50,140
earth of course you're scared right

1956
01:40:56,460 --> 01:40:54,640
right and why why is why is that I mean

1957
01:40:58,950 --> 01:40:56,470
well it's very interesting I did a scan

1958
01:41:02,610 --> 01:40:58,960
about that and she said because the ego

1959
01:41:05,850 --> 01:41:02,620
is part of the is physical it's part of

1960
01:41:11,100 --> 01:41:05,860
the brain and what is the ego I said and

1961
01:41:12,570 --> 01:41:11,110
she said it's what you build to have

1962
01:41:14,880 --> 01:41:12,580
social interaction these are I'm

1963
01:41:16,250 --> 01:41:14,890
paraphrasing right she's much more

1964
01:41:20,580 --> 01:41:16,260
eloquent than this

1965
01:41:22,740 --> 01:41:20,590
anyway it's what you build to interact

1966
01:41:26,580 --> 01:41:22,750
with the world around you and it starts

1967
01:41:30,000 --> 01:41:26,590
to be built when your parents give you

1968
01:41:33,830 --> 01:41:30,010
your name and it's built around your

1969
01:41:37,050 --> 01:41:33,840
name but it's not you it's not your soul

1970
01:41:40,170 --> 01:41:37,060
however it knows just like the rest of

1971
01:41:43,620 --> 01:41:40,180
the body that it's going to die it's

1972
01:41:46,590 --> 01:41:43,630
going to disappear and she said you must

1973
01:41:51,030 --> 01:41:46,600
always remind your ego that it will

1974
01:41:54,330 --> 01:41:51,040
never be forgotten never and that that

1975
01:41:56,820 --> 01:41:54,340
even though it will die its memory will

1976
01:41:59,460 --> 01:41:56,830
be forever part of the universe the

1977
01:42:00,540 --> 01:41:59,470
memory of that ego will be forever part

1978
01:42:03,810 --> 01:42:00,550
of the universe and it's a very

1979
01:42:09,420 --> 01:42:03,820
comforting thought because you begin to

1980
01:42:11,820 --> 01:42:09,430
learn to see your body and your self

1981
01:42:16,440 --> 01:42:11,830
your Whitley or your George or your

1982
01:42:20,970 --> 01:42:16,450
Jimmy or whatever it may be as part of

1983
01:42:23,430 --> 01:42:20,980
an instrument that someone is using to

1984
01:42:26,570 --> 01:42:23,440
navigate through the physical world in

1985
01:42:30,350 --> 01:42:26,580
the timestream and it's the

1986
01:42:32,570 --> 01:42:30,360
is really fun all of a sudden and it you

1987
01:42:35,570 --> 01:42:32,580
get to be like Annie and so many the nd

1988
01:42:38,180 --> 01:42:35,580
ears are you kind of realized that it

1989
01:42:40,910 --> 01:42:38,190
death is not that big a deal and she

1990
01:42:42,800 --> 01:42:40,920
said you know when it happened to me it

1991
01:42:44,720 --> 01:42:42,810
feels more like you're being born and

1992
01:42:47,840 --> 01:42:44,730
the first thing that crossed my mind was

1993
01:42:48,650 --> 01:42:47,850
I thought I was alive but I was actually

1994
01:42:55,850 --> 01:42:48,660
dead

1995
01:42:57,620 --> 01:42:55,860
talks about that all the time Danny and

1996
01:42:59,030 --> 01:42:57,630
Danny I had a conversation with him on

1997
01:43:02,390 --> 01:42:59,040
the phone the other day he is a very

1998
01:43:06,650 --> 01:43:02,400
wonderful man he's a lovely fellow to

1999
01:43:10,730 --> 01:43:06,660
hear him laugh out loud about death yeah

2000
01:43:12,440 --> 01:43:10,740
that's like now this this is staying on

2001
01:43:16,490 --> 01:43:12,450
this though I think it's very important

2002
01:43:18,860 --> 01:43:16,500
because imagine the world you know a

2003
01:43:21,800 --> 01:43:18,870
child five years old it doesn't

2004
01:43:24,080 --> 01:43:21,810
understand death yet right it's not they

2005
01:43:26,240 --> 01:43:24,090
don't they don't get it therefore

2006
01:43:28,580 --> 01:43:26,250
there's no fear I'm just pulling an age

2007
01:43:31,130 --> 01:43:28,590
out you know five four three two what it

2008
01:43:33,110 --> 01:43:31,140
would have you but as you get older

2009
01:43:35,300 --> 01:43:33,120
you're taught more and more every single

2010
01:43:39,680 --> 01:43:35,310
day to fear death and you see yeah and

2011
01:43:41,540 --> 01:43:39,690
and what what this world would be it

2012
01:43:44,390 --> 01:43:41,550
would be such a different place if that

2013
01:43:46,610 --> 01:43:44,400
wasn't instilled in us nearly every

2014
01:43:49,160 --> 01:43:46,620
single day you know Annie says that

2015
01:43:51,230 --> 01:43:49,170
violence all violence comes from fear

2016
01:43:54,380 --> 01:43:51,240
and fear of death right as this is the

2017
01:44:00,530 --> 01:43:54,390
core of fear and one of the things that

2018
01:44:03,590 --> 01:44:00,540
she's hoping is she says that that we

2019
01:44:06,380 --> 01:44:03,600
don't need to live separate the bridge

2020
01:44:10,550 --> 01:44:06,390
between the living and what we call the

2021
01:44:12,230 --> 01:44:10,560
dead as she puts it can we can cross

2022
01:44:15,530 --> 01:44:12,240
back and forth and we can live as a

2023
01:44:19,090 --> 01:44:15,540
whole species her attitude is that when

2024
01:44:21,530 --> 01:44:19,100
we are like we are split into two parts

2025
01:44:25,190 --> 01:44:21,540
we're not a whole species we haven't

2026
01:44:28,430 --> 01:44:25,200
really grown up yet and the reason that

2027
01:44:30,110 --> 01:44:28,440
these visitors seem to always bring the

2028
01:44:32,660 --> 01:44:30,120
dead with them is that they're not like

2029
01:44:34,970 --> 01:44:32,670
that they are living between the worlds

2030
01:44:36,530 --> 01:44:34,980
all the time and it's a completely

2031
01:44:38,810 --> 01:44:36,540
different way of living and it's where

2032
01:44:39,320 --> 01:44:38,820
mankind is going it is where we're going

2033
01:44:40,140 --> 01:44:39,330
right now

2034
01:44:46,620 --> 01:44:40,150
this

2035
01:44:48,570 --> 01:44:46,630
reality and it is where we are headed to

2036
01:44:50,970 --> 01:44:48,580
a point place where the living in the

2037
01:44:52,950 --> 01:44:50,980
bed or in communion with each other and

2038
01:44:54,990 --> 01:44:52,960
we are on entirely whole species and

2039
01:44:58,140 --> 01:44:55,000
it's going to be a very very different

2040
01:45:01,890 --> 01:44:58,150
experience from this and a better one a

2041
01:45:04,470 --> 01:45:01,900
richer one but also one that will lack

2042
01:45:07,830 --> 01:45:04,480
in certain ways the spontaneity and the

2043
01:45:09,330 --> 01:45:07,840
surprise of childhood because that is

2044
01:45:11,189 --> 01:45:09,340
what we are leaving right now

2045
01:45:15,060 --> 01:45:11,199
childhood is at its end and we're

2046
01:45:17,880 --> 01:45:15,070
getting ready to grow up now so - two or

2047
01:45:20,790 --> 01:45:17,890
three things cross over here for me in

2048
01:45:25,290 --> 01:45:20,800
this discussion one reincarnation and

2049
01:45:27,360 --> 01:45:25,300
when we reincarnate do we do we do it as

2050
01:45:29,970 --> 01:45:27,370
a as a baby

2051
01:45:34,800 --> 01:45:29,980
or as a puppy or you know what have you

2052
01:45:37,439 --> 01:45:34,810
oh and and second the two questions that

2053
01:45:40,740 --> 01:45:37,449
have been asked since the dawn of man

2054
01:45:43,760 --> 01:45:40,750
which are are we alone in the universe

2055
01:45:46,770 --> 01:45:43,770
right and what happens after we die

2056
01:45:49,500 --> 01:45:46,780
those three subjects now you

2057
01:45:52,709 --> 01:45:49,510
[Laughter]

2058
01:45:56,250 --> 01:45:52,719
this is your life Whitley yeah very well

2059
01:45:58,169 --> 01:45:56,260
I must I I know a lot about those things

2060
01:46:00,090 --> 01:45:58,179
right no pretty much what happens after

2061
01:46:02,160 --> 01:46:00,100
we die because I've been within when it

2062
01:46:05,189 --> 01:46:02,170
when she died I was right with her

2063
01:46:07,229 --> 01:46:05,199
and I went with her when she left I went

2064
01:46:09,750 --> 01:46:07,239
with her I went out of my body and went

2065
01:46:11,459 --> 01:46:09,760
with her right I mean I didn't I can't

2066
01:46:14,490 --> 01:46:11,469
I'm not one of these people who can who

2067
01:46:17,700 --> 01:46:14,500
can induce their own out-of-body

2068
01:46:23,700 --> 01:46:17,710
experiences but I can go out and I'm

2069
01:46:25,410 --> 01:46:23,710
taken out and it and often appear people

2070
01:46:27,120 --> 01:46:25,420
can see me when I'm out of my body quite

2071
01:46:29,760 --> 01:46:27,130
often and that just happened about a

2072
01:46:33,590 --> 01:46:29,770
year ago but anyway I went with her and

2073
01:46:36,030 --> 01:46:33,600
I went out through this level of reality

2074
01:46:40,790 --> 01:46:36,040
which was like just sort of almost like

2075
01:46:44,939 --> 01:46:40,800
underwater like being under the sea and

2076
01:46:47,610 --> 01:46:44,949
there were these looming entities there

2077
01:46:49,860 --> 01:46:47,620
that were watching us very very

2078
01:46:51,149 --> 01:46:49,870
carefully and I didn't have the

2079
01:46:54,000 --> 01:46:51,159
impression they were particularly

2080
01:46:56,790 --> 01:46:54,010
friendly and I was with her I

2081
01:46:59,939 --> 01:46:56,800
I know about the stories of the bardo

2082
01:47:00,600 --> 01:46:59,949
and and getting through it in in good

2083
01:47:03,209 --> 01:47:00,610
shape

2084
01:47:05,430 --> 01:47:03,219
and I had no intention of letting my

2085
01:47:08,370 --> 01:47:05,440
wife do that on her own I was going with

2086
01:47:12,180 --> 01:47:08,380
her as far as I possibly could and she

2087
01:47:15,689 --> 01:47:12,190
went out through that and up and into

2088
01:47:19,049 --> 01:47:15,699
the air and into the sky and higher and

2089
01:47:21,450 --> 01:47:19,059
higher and higher and I she was laughing

2090
01:47:24,629 --> 01:47:21,460
at me and I was coming along it's not

2091
01:47:26,129 --> 01:47:24,639
good and I suddenly I had to stop

2092
01:47:28,890 --> 01:47:26,139
because you're connected to your body

2093
01:47:31,490 --> 01:47:28,900
with a you know the silver cord that's

2094
01:47:34,799 --> 01:47:31,500
mentioned in the Bible is very real and

2095
01:47:38,370 --> 01:47:34,809
she went on and on and on and I couldn't

2096
01:47:42,270 --> 01:47:38,380
stay with her and I came back to my body

2097
01:47:44,009 --> 01:47:42,280
and my grief and she went on and that

2098
01:47:46,830 --> 01:47:44,019
was what it was like to be with her when

2099
01:47:50,009 --> 01:47:46,840
she died it was the loveliest sweetest

2100
01:47:52,830 --> 01:47:50,019
and most heart-rending experience I've

2101
01:47:55,069 --> 01:47:52,840
ever known because I wanted so badly to

2102
01:47:57,839 --> 01:47:55,079
go with her but I have business here and

2103
01:48:02,399 --> 01:47:57,849
like she says sweetly we made a family

2104
01:48:04,529 --> 01:48:02,409
and one of us needs to stay behind for

2105
01:48:06,839 --> 01:48:04,539
that family and one of us needs to stay

2106
01:48:09,419 --> 01:48:06,849
behind to do the physical part of the

2107
01:48:12,270 --> 01:48:09,429
work and you listen to me and you do

2108
01:48:15,419 --> 01:48:12,280
your work and don't you try to come here

2109
01:48:17,370 --> 01:48:15,429
early or you'll get in trouble you as I

2110
01:48:19,080 --> 01:48:17,380
did think I've thought a lot about how

2111
01:48:19,770 --> 01:48:19,090
much I would like to just finish it

2112
01:48:21,959 --> 01:48:19,780
myself

2113
01:48:23,910 --> 01:48:21,969
no yeah yeah yeah yeah you don't want to

2114
01:48:27,479 --> 01:48:23,920
deal with her on the other side pulling

2115
01:48:30,120 --> 01:48:27,489
out want to come to her and hear her say

2116
01:48:31,919 --> 01:48:30,130
what are you doing here yeah no no no

2117
01:48:33,569 --> 01:48:31,929
because she she did she was a nice

2118
01:48:36,120 --> 01:48:33,579
person but she did not suffer fools

2119
01:48:37,979 --> 01:48:36,130
gladly and having been a fool in her

2120
01:48:40,979 --> 01:48:37,989
presence many times in my life I know

2121
01:48:44,279 --> 01:48:40,989
that all too well exactly exactly

2122
01:48:47,029 --> 01:48:44,289
that's actually a very very funny

2123
01:48:50,910 --> 01:48:47,039
thought when you think about it you know

2124
01:48:52,709 --> 01:48:50,920
it I think about you know listening to

2125
01:48:54,479 --> 01:48:52,719
your experiences and and reading the

2126
01:48:57,990 --> 01:48:54,489
book and and talking to you as much as I

2127
01:49:02,729 --> 01:48:58,000
do that I look around myself too and we

2128
01:49:05,759 --> 01:49:02,739
all wonder what it must be like to be in

2129
01:49:07,470 --> 01:49:05,769
your position right to be arrant you're

2130
01:49:09,120 --> 01:49:07,480
you're you're an author you know

2131
01:49:12,960 --> 01:49:09,130
how to write you know how to express

2132
01:49:15,060 --> 01:49:12,970
thought and then it combined all of this

2133
01:49:17,100 --> 01:49:15,070
with your life's experiences and you're

2134
01:49:20,370 --> 01:49:17,110
able to write this down people share

2135
01:49:22,590 --> 01:49:20,380
your experiences and certainly they ask

2136
01:49:25,250 --> 01:49:22,600
themselves man okay what if I was in

2137
01:49:28,110 --> 01:49:25,260
this position because they know exactly

2138
01:49:30,420 --> 01:49:28,120
what it must be like through your

2139
01:49:32,130 --> 01:49:30,430
writing and I've gone through those same

2140
01:49:33,870 --> 01:49:32,140
thoughts I've looked around and just

2141
01:49:37,320 --> 01:49:33,880
thought man what would I do

2142
01:49:40,979 --> 01:49:37,330
you know what would Reta go through if I

2143
01:49:41,610 --> 01:49:40,989
if I wasn't here you know and that's

2144
01:49:44,010 --> 01:49:41,620
yeah

2145
01:49:46,920 --> 01:49:44,020
exactly and what would my son do in my

2146
01:49:49,530 --> 01:49:46,930
grandkids right right that that are that

2147
01:49:53,160 --> 01:49:49,540
you know are counting on me to stay here

2148
01:49:56,100 --> 01:49:53,170
as long as I can for them and I want to

2149
01:49:59,790 --> 01:49:56,110
because it's a perfectly lovely lovely

2150
01:50:02,310 --> 01:49:59,800
life I have an e set out one of her main

2151
01:50:05,040 --> 01:50:02,320
goals was make a family and she did and

2152
01:50:07,560 --> 01:50:05,050
she made a beautiful family and you know

2153
01:50:10,890 --> 01:50:07,570
I belong to that family number one right

2154
01:50:13,229 --> 01:50:10,900
now this is where I belong and I'm gonna

2155
01:50:16,380 --> 01:50:13,239
stay here as long as I can you wrote it

2156
01:50:18,960 --> 01:50:16,390
you know I think yes there there you

2157
01:50:20,940 --> 01:50:18,970
wrote I'm I just want to mention this

2158
01:50:26,640 --> 01:50:20,950
really quick and then we'll move on you

2159
01:50:28,560 --> 01:50:26,650
write there's a man I don't want to go

2160
01:50:32,100 --> 01:50:28,570
too deep into this because it's pretty

2161
01:50:36,590 --> 01:50:32,110
rough to read but you write about having

2162
01:50:39,210 --> 01:50:36,600
to sleep in in in your bed without an

2163
01:50:41,070 --> 01:50:39,220
right yeah I do that every night I sleep

2164
01:50:43,050 --> 01:50:41,080
in a place where she'd left where she

2165
01:50:45,450 --> 01:50:43,060
slept right the night she died and I'm

2166
01:50:48,300 --> 01:50:45,460
reading that I'm like man this is this

2167
01:50:51,060 --> 01:50:48,310
is rough right but you write not rough

2168
01:50:54,360 --> 01:50:51,070
it's a lovely experience no I'm saying I

2169
01:50:56,310 --> 01:50:54,370
know as a reader as a reader yeah I

2170
01:50:58,560 --> 01:50:56,320
guess it would be but you know you get

2171
01:51:01,950 --> 01:50:58,570
to the point where you're not scared of

2172
01:51:04,770 --> 01:51:01,960
death anymore and it's a sacred place in

2173
01:51:07,050 --> 01:51:04,780
my life because she made it sacred right

2174
01:51:09,360 --> 01:51:07,060
what happened there right and I'm

2175
01:51:13,620 --> 01:51:09,370
considered a privilege to sleep there

2176
01:51:15,870 --> 01:51:13,630
and a joy now you write one of the

2177
01:51:19,890 --> 01:51:15,880
chapters I don't know which chapter this

2178
01:51:25,169 --> 01:51:19,900
is I'm just looking at my notes here but

2179
01:51:28,979 --> 01:51:25,179
the living will know the dead and i and

2180
01:51:31,620 --> 01:51:28,989
i as i started the chapter which you you

2181
01:51:37,950 --> 01:51:31,630
know this is about technology and and

2182
01:51:40,919 --> 01:51:37,960
and us here on earth and and about earth

2183
01:51:45,330 --> 01:51:40,929
changes take us through that chapter i

2184
01:51:50,339 --> 01:51:45,340
thought it was pretty profound the

2185
01:51:52,680 --> 01:51:50,349
living will know the dead yes okay well

2186
01:51:56,100 --> 01:51:52,690
you know you are we coming up on a break

2187
01:52:04,890 --> 01:51:56,110
uh ten minutes eight nine minutes okay

2188
01:52:07,680 --> 01:52:04,900
so we've got some time I'm the reason

2189
01:52:15,350 --> 01:52:07,690
okay well well I know I'm getting there

2190
01:52:20,310 --> 01:52:15,360
okay give me a chance here you know I

2191
01:52:22,950 --> 01:52:20,320
can't I'm trying to remember exactly

2192
01:52:25,799 --> 01:52:22,960
what's in that particular chapter it's

2193
01:52:30,839 --> 01:52:25,809
not so easy give me a hint

2194
01:52:36,149 --> 01:52:30,849
well it's about you writing Anne's diary

2195
01:52:38,729 --> 01:52:36,159
and and the well yes now I remember it's

2196
01:52:39,839 --> 01:52:38,739
about and she changes that are coming on

2197
01:52:42,919 --> 01:52:39,849
the earth that's right

2198
01:52:47,250 --> 01:52:42,929
and she wanted the diary to continue

2199
01:52:49,020 --> 01:52:47,260
right and well and Anne came along she

2200
01:52:52,950 --> 01:52:49,030
hasn't been here since last I think

2201
01:52:56,399 --> 01:52:52,960
October but she's written three or four

2202
01:52:59,370 --> 01:52:56,409
very profound Diaries since she passed

2203
01:53:01,890 --> 01:52:59,380
and they're terribly hard for me to do

2204
01:53:03,089 --> 01:53:01,900
because first of all intellectually

2205
01:53:05,700 --> 01:53:03,099
they're really challenging because

2206
01:53:07,290 --> 01:53:05,710
there's a lot of ideas of that I don't

2207
01:53:12,240 --> 01:53:07,300
understand and haven't thought about

2208
01:53:14,189 --> 01:53:12,250
before and second she comes so close to

2209
01:53:18,419 --> 01:53:14,199
me and becomes inside me and part of me

2210
01:53:21,689 --> 01:53:18,429
that it's hard when she's finished it's

2211
01:53:25,350 --> 01:53:21,699
almost like she's when she parts for me

2212
01:53:28,080 --> 01:53:25,360
I feel it very very acutely and the

2213
01:53:30,839 --> 01:53:28,090
grief is painful but at the same time

2214
01:53:33,189 --> 01:53:30,849
the things that she's left behind are

2215
01:53:37,390 --> 01:53:33,199
really really beautiful

2216
01:53:40,300 --> 01:53:37,400
like there was a one about Valentine's

2217
01:53:42,010 --> 01:53:40,310
let me get to the website and I'll give

2218
01:53:44,620 --> 01:53:42,020
you a little taste of it and you can go

2219
01:53:46,300 --> 01:53:44,630
folks on unknown country comm and click

2220
01:53:47,790 --> 01:53:46,310
on Anne's diary down at the bottom of

2221
01:53:52,479 --> 01:53:47,800
the homepage and it's all right there

2222
01:53:54,479 --> 01:53:52,489
but this was the one I think right

2223
01:53:58,650 --> 01:53:54,489
before the last one it was about

2224
01:54:04,830 --> 01:53:58,660
February of last year and it was a

2225
01:54:08,140 --> 01:54:04,840
called objective love and it was about

2226
01:54:12,160 --> 01:54:08,150
no no it was this was February 15th of

2227
01:54:14,620 --> 01:54:12,170
2017 it was called Anne's Valentine to

2228
01:54:20,470 --> 01:54:14,630
you we are lovers

2229
01:54:24,040 --> 01:54:20,480
right right I'm Anna it talks about how

2230
01:54:27,990 --> 01:54:24,050
it is and what mankind has to give to

2231
01:54:31,300 --> 01:54:28,000
this universe and it turns out that this

2232
01:54:36,850 --> 01:54:31,310
contentious argumentative snappy

2233
01:54:41,890 --> 01:54:36,860
dangerous violent species has got love

2234
01:54:46,240 --> 01:54:41,900
to give we have to find love for each

2235
01:54:49,270 --> 01:54:46,250
other for all of us and this is what the

2236
01:54:55,540 --> 01:54:49,280
universe wishes us to give the gift of

2237
01:54:57,250 --> 01:54:55,550
our being is our love and so you know we

2238
01:55:00,430 --> 01:54:57,260
got quite a challenge there because

2239
01:55:02,410 --> 01:55:00,440
let's face it we don't there's not a lot

2240
01:55:04,419 --> 01:55:02,420
of love I mean it's Alana we're not very

2241
01:55:07,209 --> 01:55:04,429
loving to each other I mean it some guy

2242
01:55:09,729 --> 01:55:07,219
just tried to blow people up in New York

2243
01:55:12,040 --> 01:55:09,739
the other day there's there's whole

2244
01:55:14,680 --> 01:55:12,050
stretches of this planet that are in

2245
01:55:16,810 --> 01:55:14,690
ruins because of war and we just

2246
01:55:19,030 --> 01:55:16,820
finished a situation where the Germans

2247
01:55:24,240 --> 01:55:19,040
gasp six million Jews for no clear

2248
01:55:29,590 --> 01:55:24,250
reason and you know we're real real far

2249
01:55:33,939 --> 01:55:29,600
from that goal but when you hold a baby

2250
01:55:41,250 --> 01:55:33,949
in your arms or when you and the one you

2251
01:55:46,150 --> 01:55:41,260
love come together you know this goal is

2252
01:55:47,110 --> 01:55:46,160
distant as it seems is possible and not

2253
01:55:50,470 --> 01:55:47,120
only that

2254
01:55:52,270 --> 01:55:50,480
is worth reaching to become a species in

2255
01:55:55,780 --> 01:55:52,280
love with in love

2256
01:55:58,570 --> 01:55:55,790
simply living in love it is possible

2257
01:56:03,010 --> 01:55:58,580
that is something that could happen to

2258
01:56:05,860 --> 01:56:03,020
us that we could do and if we do it then

2259
01:56:09,490 --> 01:56:05,870
this is our gift to the universe this is

2260
01:56:13,750 --> 01:56:09,500
what is wanted from us Stanton Friedman

2261
01:56:17,200 --> 01:56:13,760
the other day on the show you know and

2262
01:56:21,340 --> 01:56:17,210
he's so he's so smart right but he said

2263
01:56:25,090 --> 01:56:21,350
one line that I'd it is repeating over

2264
01:56:26,880 --> 01:56:25,100
and over in my head he said not to check

2265
01:56:30,880 --> 01:56:26,890
this out it's exactly what you just said

2266
01:56:36,040 --> 01:56:30,890
he said we we have spent more money on

2267
01:56:39,040 --> 01:56:36,050
destruction than construction wait it's

2268
01:56:43,060 --> 01:56:39,050
oh yeah it's it's just like the simplest

2269
01:56:46,510 --> 01:56:43,070
sentence right and so profound I and and

2270
01:56:50,680 --> 01:56:46,520
that's our goal we can't get away i it's

2271
01:56:53,260 --> 01:56:50,690
like it's so simple how can we do that

2272
01:56:56,410 --> 01:56:53,270
how can we base our our existence at our

2273
01:56:59,860 --> 01:56:56,420
future on that methodology because that

2274
01:57:01,840 --> 01:56:59,870
it that apparently is our plan because

2275
01:57:08,110 --> 01:57:01,850
we haven't done anything but that

2276
01:57:13,360 --> 01:57:08,120
for thousands of years yeah we haven't

2277
01:57:18,180 --> 01:57:13,370
and what we need to do is you know it

2278
01:57:21,280 --> 01:57:18,190
starts with each one of us individually

2279
01:57:24,310 --> 01:57:21,290
opening ourselves first to one person

2280
01:57:26,950 --> 01:57:24,320
and then another and what do you do when

2281
01:57:29,470 --> 01:57:26,960
you're face to face with someone who has

2282
01:57:31,360 --> 01:57:29,480
done you terrible wrong or who is

2283
01:57:34,350 --> 01:57:31,370
terribly dangerous and you know them to

2284
01:57:37,090 --> 01:57:34,360
be dangerous a criminal of some kind or

2285
01:57:40,800 --> 01:57:37,100
someone with whom you profoundly

2286
01:57:43,180 --> 01:57:40,810
disagree politically any of those things

2287
01:57:48,250 --> 01:57:43,190
how do you bring your love to that

2288
01:57:49,660 --> 01:57:48,260
situation or your wife and your husband

2289
01:57:52,780 --> 01:57:49,670
has cheated or a husband and your wife

2290
01:57:56,800 --> 01:57:52,790
has cheated what happens then to your

2291
01:57:59,380 --> 01:57:56,810
love are you some you're a young kid and

2292
01:58:01,030 --> 01:57:59,390
some guy some general puts a gun in your

2293
01:58:02,740 --> 01:58:01,040
hand it says you go kill owes

2294
01:58:06,820 --> 01:58:02,750
fellas over there mm-hmm take their

2295
01:58:09,700 --> 01:58:06,830
lives right what happened to your love

2296
01:58:13,060 --> 01:58:09,710
and I'll tell you there's an answer to

2297
01:58:18,010 --> 01:58:13,070
that question all of these things pass

2298
01:58:20,880 --> 01:58:18,020
away but as Annie says in her diary

2299
01:58:24,010 --> 01:58:20,890
entry that's appendix one of the book

2300
01:58:28,840 --> 01:58:24,020
the her diary entry called the love that

2301
01:58:32,230 --> 01:58:28,850
led me home that when we die all that is

2302
01:58:34,300 --> 01:58:32,240
left of us is the love that we had in

2303
01:58:36,750 --> 01:58:34,310
this world in fact she also said

2304
01:58:42,610 --> 01:58:36,760
recently and this is in the book to

2305
01:58:46,870 --> 01:58:42,620
enlightenment is what happens to us when

2306
01:58:50,260 --> 01:58:46,880
there is nothing left of us but love so

2307
01:58:51,970 --> 01:58:50,270
when I was talking about mankind and the

2308
01:58:54,190 --> 01:58:51,980
gift giving the gift of love to the

2309
01:58:56,620 --> 01:58:54,200
universe right I was really talking

2310
01:58:59,290 --> 01:58:56,630
about the possibility is incredible and

2311
01:59:01,930 --> 01:58:59,300
even funny as it sounds that we could

2312
01:59:04,210 --> 01:59:01,940
become as a whole species enlightened we

2313
01:59:05,230 --> 01:59:04,220
could we wouldn't even be here if that

2314
01:59:07,990 --> 01:59:05,240
wasn't possible

2315
01:59:11,050 --> 01:59:08,000
that's what's possible that's the

2316
01:59:13,450 --> 01:59:11,060
possible do you remember last year we

2317
01:59:15,760 --> 01:59:13,460
got to take a break at last year I

2318
01:59:18,610 --> 01:59:15,770
called you up and I said Whitley I want

2319
01:59:22,960 --> 01:59:18,620
to do a show on Anne's diary do you

2320
01:59:26,380 --> 01:59:22,970
remember that yeah I and I we still need

2321
01:59:28,840 --> 01:59:26,390
to do that in the future it was telling

2322
01:59:29,590 --> 01:59:28,850
a Whitley I start my day I go to Anne's

2323
01:59:31,330 --> 01:59:29,600
diary

2324
01:59:33,420 --> 01:59:31,340
this is fade to black our guest tonight

2325
01:59:34,560 --> 01:59:33,430
Whitley streamers stay with us

2326
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Whitley streamer the new book the

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now whitley you have a chapter here this

2426
02:04:34,680 --> 02:04:31,990
is it's called soul tools and as i'm

2427
02:04:37,830 --> 02:04:34,690
reading the chapter i was with and i

2428
02:04:41,040 --> 02:04:37,840
couldn't believe you and said this to

2429
02:04:46,320 --> 02:04:41,050
you a couple of years ago five years ago

2430
02:04:49,290 --> 02:04:46,330
I'm with Minh of the big gurus in the in

2431
02:04:52,500 --> 02:04:49,300
the world awakening consciousness people

2432
02:04:55,350 --> 02:04:52,510
you know in the world and and I'm alone

2433
02:04:57,810 --> 02:04:55,360
with them and I said okay can I ask you

2434
02:05:01,110 --> 02:04:57,820
just one question I'm not making this up

2435
02:05:05,180 --> 02:05:01,120
this is exactly how it went down and I

2436
02:05:08,880 --> 02:05:05,190
said what's the key to everything

2437
02:05:15,140 --> 02:05:08,890
alright and he looked at me and and

2438
02:05:20,280 --> 02:05:15,150
laughs and he goes laughter I said

2439
02:05:23,460 --> 02:05:20,290
that's it that's it interesting yes and

2440
02:05:27,900 --> 02:05:23,470
he said laughter laughter is the key to

2441
02:05:31,410 --> 02:05:27,910
life and that's exactly ends and Ann was

2442
02:05:33,930 --> 02:05:31,420
talking about that all over light he

2443
02:05:40,590 --> 02:05:33,940
always believed that and you right you

2444
02:05:42,810 --> 02:05:40,600
right here she says let me get to this

2445
02:05:45,330 --> 02:05:42,820
part because it just it froze me in my

2446
02:05:48,630 --> 02:05:45,340
tracks when I read this in the book and

2447
02:05:54,800 --> 02:05:48,640
she says uh she saw laughter as the key

2448
02:05:58,050 --> 02:05:54,810
to consciousness in fact as the key your

2449
02:06:02,730 --> 02:05:58,060
your how do I say how do you how do you

2450
02:06:05,610 --> 02:06:02,740
say that your emphasis right is the key

2451
02:06:09,020 --> 02:06:05,620
of have joy I cannot repeat enough she

2452
02:06:13,410 --> 02:06:09,030
says when he was send you ascends into

2453
02:06:17,970 --> 02:06:13,420
laughter that's right and that's you

2454
02:06:21,050 --> 02:06:17,980
know she also when she says you can't

2455
02:06:23,940 --> 02:06:21,060
understand the Big Bang that's it unless

2456
02:06:27,440 --> 02:06:23,950
you understand it as an explosion of

2457
02:06:31,470 --> 02:06:27,450
happiness which is really fascinating

2458
02:06:34,050 --> 02:06:31,480
you know as she passed on she left a

2459
02:06:36,840 --> 02:06:34,060
book open in our library a little

2460
02:06:38,910 --> 02:06:36,850
library called physics from Fisher

2461
02:06:42,780 --> 02:06:38,920
information which is a physics book and

2462
02:06:48,540 --> 02:06:42,790
had read and she liked a lot and in the

2463
02:06:53,930 --> 02:06:48,550
book there is a passage about the fact

2464
02:06:57,600 --> 02:06:53,940
that the universe the Big Bang was a

2465
02:06:59,550 --> 02:06:57,610
single primordial quest for knowledge

2466
02:07:05,850 --> 02:06:59,560
the beginning of a quest for knowledge

2467
02:07:11,660 --> 02:07:05,860
and Annie used to say that God laughed

2468
02:07:15,690 --> 02:07:11,670
in surprise and that surprise is what

2469
02:07:18,270 --> 02:07:15,700
everything came from and she used to

2470
02:07:22,080 --> 02:07:18,280
quote meister eckhart at the great 14th

2471
02:07:25,490 --> 02:07:22,090
century mystic and theologian catholic

2472
02:07:29,640 --> 02:07:25,500
mystic and theologian who used to say

2473
02:07:32,190 --> 02:07:29,650
god laughed and god's laughter begat the

2474
02:07:34,860 --> 02:07:32,200
sun and they laughed together and their

2475
02:07:36,570 --> 02:07:34,870
laughter begat the Holy Spirit and the

2476
02:07:39,740 --> 02:07:36,580
three laugh together and out of there

2477
02:07:43,740 --> 02:07:39,750
laughter poured the whole universe and

2478
02:07:47,520 --> 02:07:43,750
so when we laugh we're really doing

2479
02:07:49,380 --> 02:07:47,530
something very sacred and that's why I

2480
02:07:58,410 --> 02:07:49,390
always thought that Lenny Bruce was a

2481
02:08:00,840 --> 02:07:58,420
saint the the instinct of laughter right

2482
02:08:02,820 --> 02:08:00,850
you see somebody laugh do you hear

2483
02:08:05,100 --> 02:08:02,830
somebody that you laugh you can't do

2484
02:08:07,770 --> 02:08:05,110
that yeah it comes right out of you kid

2485
02:08:10,440 --> 02:08:07,780
loved to laugh yeah kids would kids

2486
02:08:12,450 --> 02:08:10,450
start laughing you know the innocence of

2487
02:08:15,030 --> 02:08:12,460
that because it's they don't they can't

2488
02:08:15,900 --> 02:08:15,040
control themselves right no they can't

2489
02:08:18,120 --> 02:08:15,910
any left

2490
02:08:21,210 --> 02:08:18,130
when she left it came right up out of

2491
02:08:24,960 --> 02:08:21,220
her gut it was a deep wonderful laugh

2492
02:08:27,630 --> 02:08:24,970
you'll just I love to make an laughs in

2493
02:08:30,210 --> 02:08:27,640
fact our relationship really started by

2494
02:08:33,860 --> 02:08:30,220
me telling funny stories because I've

2495
02:08:36,630 --> 02:08:33,870
had I had a fairly funny childhood and I

2496
02:08:39,420 --> 02:08:36,640
cut up a lot in ways that turned out to

2497
02:08:41,910 --> 02:08:39,430
later on be very funny to think about

2498
02:08:45,690 --> 02:08:41,920
and talk about I did a lot of things

2499
02:08:47,580 --> 02:08:45,700
that were generally upsetting to my

2500
02:08:51,150 --> 02:08:47,590
father but terribly funny to everybody

2501
02:08:52,710 --> 02:08:51,160
yes I don't know why he was always the

2502
02:08:55,170 --> 02:08:52,720
victim but I guess I was too scared of

2503
02:08:57,180 --> 02:08:55,180
my mother she she could get serious but

2504
02:09:02,700 --> 02:08:57,190
he didn't have that he didn't have that

2505
02:09:05,340 --> 02:09:02,710
up that gene you see there's another

2506
02:09:10,980 --> 02:09:05,350
line here where you say that Ann could

2507
02:09:13,110 --> 02:09:10,990
laugh her ego out of the way yes she

2508
02:09:16,890 --> 02:09:13,120
sure could and she could help you do it

2509
02:09:19,110 --> 02:09:16,900
too she was real Jan was a teacher she

2510
02:09:20,610 --> 02:09:19,120
was she was what I call a hidden master

2511
02:09:22,530 --> 02:09:20,620
in other words she didn't make a big

2512
02:09:25,230 --> 02:09:22,540
deal out of it but she surely knew what

2513
02:09:28,460 --> 02:09:25,240
she was doing when it came to helping us

2514
02:09:33,030 --> 02:09:28,470
see ourselves and build a strong soul

2515
02:09:37,500 --> 02:09:33,040
she was very good at it and if you came

2516
02:09:39,630 --> 02:09:37,510
into Anne's orbit with the big ego you

2517
02:09:41,940 --> 02:09:39,640
soon found yourself being pricked in

2518
02:09:44,910 --> 02:09:41,950
places you didn't know you hurt you

2519
02:09:45,360 --> 02:09:44,920
could hurt and she was very very good at

2520
02:09:48,330 --> 02:09:45,370
that

2521
02:09:53,760 --> 02:09:48,340
including this big ego here is talking

2522
02:09:55,260 --> 02:09:53,770
to you right now so she could yeah she

2523
02:09:57,540 --> 02:09:55,270
could definitely do that and it was

2524
02:10:00,360 --> 02:09:57,550
always there was always this wonderful

2525
02:10:02,760 --> 02:10:00,370
sense of fun about it it was it was it

2526
02:10:05,190 --> 02:10:02,770
was a lot of people who have who have

2527
02:10:06,960 --> 02:10:05,200
listened to her on the radio show or had

2528
02:10:08,970 --> 02:10:06,970
the good luck to be it one of the

2529
02:10:11,460 --> 02:10:08,980
dreamland festivals or one of the other

2530
02:10:13,320 --> 02:10:11,470
things that she was at and talked to her

2531
02:10:14,900 --> 02:10:13,330
and be with her you know you found all

2532
02:10:19,140 --> 02:10:14,910
this stuff out about her very quickly

2533
02:10:21,450 --> 02:10:19,150
she was terribly alive and full of fun

2534
02:10:27,950 --> 02:10:21,460
now you talked about the three pillars

2535
02:10:29,169 --> 02:10:27,960
and in in Soul tools what are they love

2536
02:10:34,149 --> 02:10:29,179
compassion

2537
02:10:38,199 --> 02:10:34,159
and humility you work with those three

2538
02:10:40,739 --> 02:10:38,209
and you're gonna do well and you just

2539
02:10:44,649 --> 02:10:40,749
really have to work with them because

2540
02:10:48,549 --> 02:10:44,659
finding a way in yourself to love others

2541
02:10:51,339 --> 02:10:48,559
it's easy to love your friends or your

2542
02:10:54,399 --> 02:10:51,349
your loved ones or your kids or your

2543
02:10:56,529 --> 02:10:54,409
parents but what about the guy is

2544
02:10:59,319 --> 02:10:56,539
struggling along down the street or the

2545
02:11:01,479 --> 02:10:59,329
the waitress in the restaurant or the

2546
02:11:06,699 --> 02:11:01,489
person who just happens to be passing in

2547
02:11:09,520 --> 02:11:06,709
a car how do you feel love for them that

2548
02:11:12,910 --> 02:11:09,530
seem so ordinary and so distant from you

2549
02:11:15,939 --> 02:11:12,920
you start by always remembering that

2550
02:11:18,910 --> 02:11:15,949
they are as much a universe unto

2551
02:11:21,729 --> 02:11:18,920
themselves as you are to yourself that

2552
02:11:23,500 --> 02:11:21,739
it's pretty much the same inside them as

2553
02:11:26,049 --> 02:11:23,510
it is inside you

2554
02:11:29,109 --> 02:11:26,059
they are just as vulnerable and needy

2555
02:11:31,839 --> 02:11:29,119
and hopeful as you are and they need an

2556
02:11:34,060 --> 02:11:31,849
arm around them too and it will never be

2557
02:11:36,750 --> 02:11:34,070
your arm because that little car is

2558
02:11:40,629 --> 02:11:36,760
gonna drive on down the street but that

2559
02:11:46,629 --> 02:11:40,639
person in that car matters just as much

2560
02:11:50,969 --> 02:11:46,639
as I matter just as much and it's it's

2561
02:11:53,379 --> 02:11:50,979
hard sometimes you know you get cut off

2562
02:11:55,660 --> 02:11:53,389
cut off on the freeway talking about

2563
02:11:59,049 --> 02:11:55,670
somebody next to you and you immediately

2564
02:12:02,640 --> 02:11:59,059
feel the negativity and well if you know

2565
02:12:05,080 --> 02:12:02,650
if you're listening to this in LA right

2566
02:12:06,879 --> 02:12:05,090
you're gonna think to yourself well you

2567
02:12:10,000 --> 02:12:06,889
know that's I've got my work cut out for

2568
02:12:12,609 --> 02:12:10,010
me because I wanted to kill 16 people

2569
02:12:14,049 --> 02:12:12,619
today two of them cut me off three of

2570
02:12:16,989 --> 02:12:14,059
them honked at me when they shouldn't

2571
02:12:19,000 --> 02:12:16,999
have another guy nearly ran me down when

2572
02:12:21,370 --> 02:12:19,010
I was walking I mean you know we've all

2573
02:12:23,560 --> 02:12:21,380
got those stories here it is the case in

2574
02:12:24,879 --> 02:12:23,570
Los Angeles and in a lot of places it's

2575
02:12:28,719 --> 02:12:24,889
not the only city in the world it's

2576
02:12:32,620 --> 02:12:28,729
Arnold that has rotten traffic the the

2577
02:12:35,290 --> 02:12:32,630
the first time I saw road rage was in

2578
02:12:38,229 --> 02:12:35,300
Seattle and this is probably 20 years

2579
02:12:40,689 --> 02:12:38,239
ago I'm in downtown Seattle it's it's in

2580
02:12:42,420 --> 02:12:40,699
the winter and the streets were frozen

2581
02:12:44,850 --> 02:12:42,430
there was slush around it does

2582
02:12:46,680 --> 02:12:44,860
release snow and see it why anyway but

2583
02:12:49,500 --> 02:12:46,690
it was this day there was this freak ice

2584
02:12:53,130 --> 02:12:49,510
storm right and I'm in downtown Seattle

2585
02:12:55,770 --> 02:12:53,140
and I'm at a street corner and I see

2586
02:12:58,500 --> 02:12:55,780
this it's a woman driving and she's

2587
02:13:03,420 --> 02:12:58,510
right in front of me she stops and this

2588
02:13:05,190 --> 02:13:03,430
car comes from behind her sliding and it

2589
02:13:07,890 --> 02:13:05,200
goes a little bit sideways

2590
02:13:09,690 --> 02:13:07,900
this lady jumps out of the car that was

2591
02:13:11,670 --> 02:13:09,700
sliding she was trying to catch up to

2592
02:13:14,280 --> 02:13:11,680
this other lady is what was going on she

2593
02:13:16,350 --> 02:13:14,290
jumps out of her car the other lady

2594
02:13:18,770 --> 02:13:16,360
that's right in front of me she jumps

2595
02:13:22,920 --> 02:13:18,780
out of her car and these two white

2596
02:13:25,500 --> 02:13:22,930
middle-aged not-quite soccer moms they

2597
02:13:27,540 --> 02:13:25,510
they were probably both working in the

2598
02:13:30,450 --> 02:13:27,550
middle of the day are now grabbing each

2599
02:13:33,000 --> 02:13:30,460
other's hair slapping each other and

2600
02:13:36,000 --> 02:13:33,010
yelling and fighting in the middle of

2601
02:13:38,160 --> 02:13:36,010
the street in downtown Seattle and I

2602
02:13:41,640 --> 02:13:38,170
backed up off of the curb I'm like what

2603
02:13:44,370 --> 02:13:41,650
is going on with humanity I cannot

2604
02:13:46,580 --> 02:13:44,380
believe I'm watching this go down and

2605
02:13:49,260 --> 02:13:46,590
they wanted to kill each other and

2606
02:13:51,480 --> 02:13:49,270
eventually some people went up and put

2607
02:13:53,160 --> 02:13:51,490
and separated the two of them nobody got

2608
02:13:56,040 --> 02:13:53,170
a restaurant and they get in their cars

2609
02:13:58,680 --> 02:13:56,050
and they drive away and it was my first

2610
02:14:00,870 --> 02:13:58,690
experience with anything like this road

2611
02:14:04,530 --> 02:14:00,880
rage was a phenomenon that came later

2612
02:14:07,890 --> 02:14:04,540
but there it was and and I just had to

2613
02:14:11,250 --> 02:14:07,900
ask myself what what is going on that

2614
02:14:13,560 --> 02:14:11,260
you have that instant hatred from your

2615
02:14:16,110 --> 02:14:13,570
soul that you want to come out literally

2616
02:14:18,240 --> 02:14:16,120
and just start doing this in a public

2617
02:14:20,550 --> 02:14:18,250
place and they say this isn't two grown

2618
02:14:23,040 --> 02:14:20,560
men these it's two went out doing this

2619
02:14:26,280 --> 02:14:23,050
well at first it's not from your soul

2620
02:14:28,770 --> 02:14:26,290
it's from your ego right and it's fine

2621
02:14:31,530 --> 02:14:28,780
it's part of what the egos here to do is

2622
02:14:34,230 --> 02:14:31,540
to experience these is to build these

2623
02:14:35,640 --> 02:14:34,240
experiences you you can't you're not

2624
02:14:38,280 --> 02:14:35,650
supposed to go through life without

2625
02:14:40,560 --> 02:14:38,290
having any any intense experience it's

2626
02:14:42,780 --> 02:14:40,570
negative and positive this is our food

2627
02:14:47,280 --> 02:14:42,790
this is what we're here to consume and

2628
02:14:49,620 --> 02:14:47,290
learn from if you don't have experiences

2629
02:14:51,630 --> 02:14:49,630
you can't learn anything it's not meant

2630
02:14:54,210 --> 02:14:51,640
to be all sweetness and light here it's

2631
02:14:56,550 --> 02:14:54,220
it's meant to be a rough road and it is

2632
02:15:00,420 --> 02:14:56,560
a rough road

2633
02:15:05,460 --> 02:15:00,430
our task is how do we find ourselves in

2634
02:15:07,410 --> 02:15:05,470
a place beyond that and how how can I

2635
02:15:09,500 --> 02:15:07,420
defend myself from the person who is

2636
02:15:12,960 --> 02:15:09,510
slapping me around while also feeling

2637
02:15:16,200 --> 02:15:12,970
laughter and joy inside it is possible

2638
02:15:18,120 --> 02:15:16,210
what I'm not so sure if I learned

2639
02:15:20,930 --> 02:15:18,130
anything from that except for not don't

2640
02:15:23,880 --> 02:15:20,940
drive in Seattle tour in the winter but

2641
02:15:26,430 --> 02:15:23,890
what what would we learn from that and

2642
02:15:29,610 --> 02:15:26,440
and the the woman driving away the two

2643
02:15:32,160 --> 02:15:29,620
they're driving away obviously shaking

2644
02:15:34,860 --> 02:15:32,170
right their nerves their adrenaline is

2645
02:15:36,570 --> 02:15:34,870
pumped what do they learn which is what

2646
02:15:39,240 --> 02:15:36,580
they learned both of them learn the same

2647
02:15:40,980 --> 02:15:39,250
thing they learned that there was some

2648
02:15:41,970 --> 02:15:40,990
part of themselves that could do that

2649
02:15:43,470 --> 02:15:41,980
Wow

2650
02:15:46,620 --> 02:15:43,480
and they probably didn't know that

2651
02:15:49,200 --> 02:15:46,630
before I I would guess or maybe I would

2652
02:15:50,850 --> 02:15:49,210
guess not but you learn from that and

2653
02:15:52,950 --> 02:15:50,860
you know you look at it that way and you

2654
02:15:55,290 --> 02:15:52,960
think to yourself well maybe these two

2655
02:15:57,780 --> 02:15:55,300
souls were just in the same classroom

2656
02:16:00,030 --> 02:15:57,790
together in a certain school of souls

2657
02:16:01,680 --> 02:16:00,040
and they decided well we need to learn

2658
02:16:02,910 --> 02:16:01,690
this and so we're gonna go ahead and get

2659
02:16:06,990 --> 02:16:02,920
out of these cars and do it together

2660
02:16:08,400 --> 02:16:07,000
slap slap slap slap slap Wow you know

2661
02:16:14,450 --> 02:16:08,410
there's another way of looking at all of

2662
02:16:17,280 --> 02:16:14,460
this stuff I try to I I try to laugh I

2663
02:16:19,650 --> 02:16:17,290
really do and for you to write that over

2664
02:16:22,920 --> 02:16:19,660
and to say that in the book and for me

2665
02:16:26,940 --> 02:16:22,930
to have been told this advice I try to

2666
02:16:31,050 --> 02:16:26,950
deal with life that way and that I don't

2667
02:16:32,760 --> 02:16:31,060
have room for negativity I don't have

2668
02:16:34,530 --> 02:16:32,770
room for negative friends or negative

2669
02:16:37,140 --> 02:16:34,540
but you have to have room for negativity

2670
02:16:39,810 --> 02:16:37,150
because that's part of life feeling and

2671
02:16:43,050 --> 02:16:39,820
experiencing negativity is very very

2672
02:16:47,070 --> 02:16:43,060
important because you're you can't you

2673
02:16:49,020 --> 02:16:47,080
can't you can't get to a point where

2674
02:16:51,570 --> 02:16:49,030
you're you're separate from it unless

2675
02:16:55,589 --> 02:16:51,580
you know it and know it well right you

2676
02:16:59,700 --> 02:16:55,599
cannot make it you cannot understand it

2677
02:17:02,370 --> 02:16:59,710
unless you really really accept that

2678
02:17:06,720 --> 02:17:02,380
part of you that's like that and live in

2679
02:17:09,150 --> 02:17:06,730
it and live with it and and frankly you

2680
02:17:10,480 --> 02:17:09,160
will find if you're if you're lucky and

2681
02:17:13,510 --> 02:17:10,490
you work on it enough

2682
02:17:15,750 --> 02:17:13,520
that it's absolutely hilarious that your

2683
02:17:17,890 --> 02:17:15,760
negativity is funny as hell and

2684
02:17:20,880 --> 02:17:17,900
especially when you don't think it's

2685
02:17:24,100 --> 02:17:20,890
funny that's when it's really funny if

2686
02:17:26,350 --> 02:17:24,110
negativity for me this is my own

2687
02:17:29,200 --> 02:17:26,360
personal experience I've certainly

2688
02:17:32,470 --> 02:17:29,210
spoken about it enough publicly is that

2689
02:17:35,740 --> 02:17:32,480
negativity certainly through forms of

2690
02:17:39,160 --> 02:17:35,750
mass media and and seeing and hearing

2691
02:17:41,140 --> 02:17:39,170
negative things would change me

2692
02:17:44,140 --> 02:17:41,150
physically and I didn't like that

2693
02:17:47,770 --> 02:17:44,150
feeling right I didn't like that

2694
02:17:51,400 --> 02:17:47,780
exposure to it and I felt physically ill

2695
02:17:52,960 --> 02:17:51,410
and I didn't dig that so I stopped with

2696
02:17:56,410 --> 02:17:52,970
the mainstream media I stopped watching

2697
02:17:58,180 --> 02:17:56,420
the news I stopped having negative P I

2698
02:18:00,340 --> 02:17:58,190
wouldn't respond to negativity I

2699
02:18:02,620 --> 02:18:00,350
wouldn't read you know we were talking

2700
02:18:04,540 --> 02:18:02,630
about criticisms earlier that you you've

2701
02:18:07,120 --> 02:18:04,550
gone through more than your fair share

2702
02:18:09,580 --> 02:18:07,130
of that oh yeah I'm used to it I don't

2703
02:18:11,740 --> 02:18:09,590
care I don't care anymore right I don't

2704
02:18:14,640 --> 02:18:11,750
exactly I don't explain can't care I

2705
02:18:17,140 --> 02:18:14,650
mean there's the guy writing a a

2706
02:18:19,300 --> 02:18:17,150
debunking book about me right now that's

2707
02:18:23,730 --> 02:18:19,310
gonna be out next year do I care

2708
02:18:26,020 --> 02:18:23,740
I do not I dub bunk why do you see and I

2709
02:18:28,930 --> 02:18:26,030
know she thinks he can make some money

2710
02:18:33,070 --> 02:18:28,940
why not else why would motivate somebody

2711
02:18:35,050 --> 02:18:33,080
with negativity like that I well it's

2712
02:18:38,410 --> 02:18:35,060
not my problem because it's I don't have

2713
02:18:39,970 --> 02:18:38,420
it right right and you know I mean I'd

2714
02:18:42,040 --> 02:18:39,980
like him to write a debunking a book

2715
02:18:46,000 --> 02:18:42,050
about somebody else and I can even give

2716
02:18:46,390 --> 02:18:46,010
him some ideas that's not what it's

2717
02:18:50,950 --> 02:18:46,400
gonna be

2718
02:18:53,170 --> 02:18:50,960
so yeah yeah I don't understand a couple

2719
02:18:56,740 --> 02:18:53,180
of phenomenons that are going down right

2720
02:18:59,380 --> 02:18:56,750
now one because of social media and you

2721
02:19:02,830 --> 02:18:59,390
can hide behind a computer screen and

2722
02:19:05,080 --> 02:19:02,840
the glass and the keyboard that people

2723
02:19:07,930 --> 02:19:05,090
that wouldn't normally say negative

2724
02:19:09,670 --> 02:19:07,940
things and it doesn't matter what it is

2725
02:19:11,290 --> 02:19:09,680
it could be political it could be

2726
02:19:15,370 --> 02:19:11,300
something else or way you know what have

2727
02:19:17,380 --> 02:19:15,380
you but that trolling and negativity and

2728
02:19:20,860 --> 02:19:17,390
negative post and negative things are

2729
02:19:24,229 --> 02:19:20,870
are the norm now it used to be the

2730
02:19:28,820 --> 02:19:24,239
exception you know and I have said

2731
02:19:33,169 --> 02:19:28,830
to people directly would you really walk

2732
02:19:35,750 --> 02:19:33,179
into where you work or walk into your

2733
02:19:38,959 --> 02:19:35,760
parents home and look at them and start

2734
02:19:41,209 --> 02:19:38,969
saying calling people names right would

2735
02:19:44,000 --> 02:19:41,219
you do that at a party no you wouldn't

2736
02:19:46,610 --> 02:19:44,010
but you feel that it's okay to express

2737
02:19:49,330 --> 02:19:46,620
these kind of thoughts in in social

2738
02:19:52,580 --> 02:19:49,340
media well they have a lot of anger a

2739
02:19:55,490 --> 02:19:52,590
lot of anger that they can't do anything

2740
02:19:58,760 --> 02:19:55,500
with because we're mostly all of us very

2741
02:20:00,380 --> 02:19:58,770
helpless and even like the president

2742
02:20:02,210 --> 02:20:00,390
United States is the most helpless of

2743
02:20:06,380 --> 02:20:02,220
all they just it doesn't look like that

2744
02:20:09,830 --> 02:20:06,390
when you start but then you get into it

2745
02:20:12,920 --> 02:20:09,840
and you realize I'm trapped and I'm

2746
02:20:16,160 --> 02:20:12,930
trapped in the illusion of power I can't

2747
02:20:17,900 --> 02:20:16,170
escape and it's hard I think for these

2748
02:20:20,330 --> 02:20:17,910
guys as they get into it more deeply

2749
02:20:22,130 --> 02:20:20,340
that's why their hair turns gray like

2750
02:20:24,679 --> 02:20:22,140
Obama's hair turned gray during his

2751
02:20:26,750 --> 02:20:24,689
presidency if you see him and when he

2752
02:20:28,969 --> 02:20:26,760
went in he's a young man when he comes

2753
02:20:31,880 --> 02:20:28,979
out he's an old man the same with Bill

2754
02:20:35,599 --> 02:20:31,890
Clinton right and all of them I you know

2755
02:20:38,420 --> 02:20:35,609
Ronald Reagan was that way I've known a

2756
02:20:41,240 --> 02:20:38,430
few presidents who had an interest in

2757
02:20:43,490 --> 02:20:41,250
the UFO thing but I don't talk about

2758
02:20:46,610 --> 02:20:43,500
them specifically but I do know from

2759
02:20:49,150 --> 02:20:46,620
personal experience that you know

2760
02:20:51,260 --> 02:20:49,160
there's no one out there who isn't

2761
02:20:54,700 --> 02:20:51,270
struggling in one way or another with

2762
02:20:59,570 --> 02:20:54,710
this we're all are and

2763
02:21:01,610 --> 02:20:59,580
we have just to accept it accept it the

2764
02:21:03,380 --> 02:21:01,620
negativity is there it's there in us

2765
02:21:05,960 --> 02:21:03,390
it's there and everyone around us how

2766
02:21:08,210 --> 02:21:05,970
though how do you accept it or how do

2767
02:21:10,910 --> 02:21:08,220
you get used to it how do you let it

2768
02:21:12,410 --> 02:21:10,920
roll off of you like water off of a

2769
02:21:15,019 --> 02:21:12,420
duck's back I mean how do you do well

2770
02:21:17,050 --> 02:21:15,029
you you have to if you can't let it roll

2771
02:21:21,229 --> 02:21:17,060
off to you I mean if somebody is

2772
02:21:22,790 --> 02:21:21,239
somebody is suing you in order this has

2773
02:21:24,830 --> 02:21:22,800
happened to me in order to get money out

2774
02:21:28,099 --> 02:21:24,840
of you for something that just

2775
02:21:30,160 --> 02:21:28,109
completely you didn't do in this case it

2776
02:21:36,979 --> 02:21:30,170
turned out to be completely absurd they

2777
02:21:37,910 --> 02:21:36,989
sued my publisher for saying that one of

2778
02:21:41,719 --> 02:21:37,920
my books was

2779
02:21:43,580 --> 02:21:41,729
plagiarized and we were very concerned

2780
02:21:45,800 --> 02:21:43,590
at first because we got this notice of

2781
02:21:48,260 --> 02:21:45,810
this lawsuit being filed from the

2782
02:21:49,940 --> 02:21:48,270
federal court and I thought well you

2783
02:21:52,580 --> 02:21:49,950
know it's just a notice it didn't say

2784
02:21:58,719 --> 02:21:52,590
what the suit was and eventually the the

2785
02:22:02,770 --> 02:21:58,729
suit appeared and it was like 750 pages

2786
02:22:06,620 --> 02:22:02,780
filed by the person not by a lawyer and

2787
02:22:08,150 --> 02:22:06,630
what it was was a lawsuit claiming that

2788
02:22:09,890 --> 02:22:08,160
I had plagiarized that communion

2789
02:22:14,060 --> 02:22:09,900
plagiarized moby-dick

2790
02:22:16,580 --> 02:22:14,070
oh I remember this yes yes yes word

2791
02:22:20,929 --> 02:22:16,590
white was used occasionally in both

2792
02:22:23,540 --> 02:22:20,939
books and I thought I said to the

2793
02:22:26,630 --> 02:22:23,550
publishers lawyer do you expect to have

2794
02:22:29,450 --> 02:22:26,640
trouble with this and he said the only

2795
02:22:34,160 --> 02:22:29,460
danger is that if the judge thinks it's

2796
02:22:37,100 --> 02:22:34,170
funny and begins to play games with us

2797
02:22:39,290 --> 02:22:37,110
but the judge did think it was funny but

2798
02:22:40,910 --> 02:22:39,300
he was a serious guy and he didn't play

2799
02:22:43,130 --> 02:22:40,920
any games with us in the suit was thrown

2800
02:22:45,020 --> 02:22:43,140
out but you know they're much more

2801
02:22:47,810 --> 02:22:45,030
serious things that happen all the time

2802
02:22:49,670 --> 02:22:47,820
in this world well like for example what

2803
02:22:53,060 --> 02:22:49,680
are these guys who have been torched

2804
02:22:54,980 --> 02:22:53,070
recently faith feel it's an awful thing

2805
02:22:57,590 --> 02:22:54,990
that they lot of them have done they've

2806
02:23:00,860 --> 02:22:57,600
done dreadful things but at the same

2807
02:23:04,580 --> 02:23:00,870
time how you know you have to have

2808
02:23:07,370 --> 02:23:04,590
compassion includes everyone and it

2809
02:23:09,650 --> 02:23:07,380
doesn't include just the good guys or

2810
02:23:11,840 --> 02:23:09,660
the people who are you see suffering on

2811
02:23:14,270 --> 02:23:11,850
the street corner it includes the bad

2812
02:23:17,390 --> 02:23:14,280
guys too how do you become now when I

2813
02:23:21,530 --> 02:23:17,400
was growing up I was very close friends

2814
02:23:24,230 --> 02:23:21,540
with a with a priest in my in my in my

2815
02:23:26,360 --> 02:23:24,240
town and we used to talk a lot about

2816
02:23:31,219 --> 02:23:26,370
this level of ethics this type of ethics

2817
02:23:35,650 --> 02:23:31,229
is how do you feel forgiveness as Jesus

2818
02:23:39,860 --> 02:23:35,660
did and how do you really feel that and

2819
02:23:41,540 --> 02:23:39,870
be that way without being a fool I mean

2820
02:23:44,030 --> 02:23:41,550
you're you know you're standing in front

2821
02:23:45,320 --> 02:23:44,040
of an SS officer who's getting ready to

2822
02:23:48,920 --> 02:23:45,330
put you in a truck and send you to

2823
02:23:52,190 --> 02:23:48,930
Auschwitz mm-hmm you're not gonna say

2824
02:23:54,890 --> 02:23:52,200
you're not gonna quit and laugh and

2825
02:23:58,160 --> 02:23:54,900
he's fine you're in trouble and he's a

2826
02:24:03,171 --> 02:23:58,170
nightmare the guy is a monster so where

2827
02:24:06,770 --> 02:24:03,181
do you where do you find the joy that is

2828
02:24:11,240 --> 02:24:06,780
beyond all of that where do you find it

2829
02:24:13,551 --> 02:24:11,250
and the answer is it's there inside you

2830
02:24:20,110 --> 02:24:13,561
and you know people who live through

2831
02:24:23,480 --> 02:24:20,120
that experience they some of them

2832
02:24:26,720 --> 02:24:23,490
ascended from there and so you have to

2833
02:24:29,660 --> 02:24:26,730
ask yourself were the Nazis their

2834
02:24:31,180 --> 02:24:29,670
friends are their enemies because when

2835
02:24:34,131 --> 02:24:31,190
you ascend from this level of reality

2836
02:24:38,570 --> 02:24:34,141
you're never coming back and you don't

2837
02:24:41,360 --> 02:24:38,580
end either the idea of death passes from

2838
02:24:44,921 --> 02:24:41,370
you the experience passes from you and

2839
02:24:48,970 --> 02:24:44,931
you join this wavefront that is

2840
02:24:51,620 --> 02:24:48,980
expanding and it will expand forever of

2841
02:24:54,740 --> 02:24:51,630
ecstasy because ecstasy is like heat

2842
02:24:57,640 --> 02:24:54,750
heat has no upper limit it's not like

2843
02:25:01,850 --> 02:24:57,650
cold cold has an absolute final end

2844
02:25:05,060 --> 02:25:01,860
absolute zero and so does evil it has an

2845
02:25:09,560 --> 02:25:05,070
absolute final end stillness and

2846
02:25:12,560 --> 02:25:09,570
darkness but not ecstasy and that's

2847
02:25:14,980 --> 02:25:12,570
where we're going well we always had

2848
02:25:18,560 --> 02:25:14,990
well I think we always took comfort in

2849
02:25:20,540 --> 02:25:18,570
in in knowing that we have been taught

2850
02:25:23,480 --> 02:25:20,550
that there is also you know heaven and

2851
02:25:26,030 --> 02:25:23,490
hell and you know there's there's a

2852
02:25:27,830 --> 02:25:26,040
place for those bad people and they are

2853
02:25:30,740 --> 02:25:27,840
gonna be there forever

2854
02:25:32,660 --> 02:25:30,750
go ahead oh so is there is there a

2855
02:25:34,940 --> 02:25:32,670
heaven in hell I mean what does handle

2856
02:25:36,830 --> 02:25:34,950
but I'll tell you one thing for sure we

2857
02:25:38,720 --> 02:25:36,840
don't know who's good and who's bad and

2858
02:25:42,200 --> 02:25:38,730
there's a reason that there it says in

2859
02:25:45,080 --> 02:25:42,210
the Bible judge not lets TV judge we

2860
02:25:48,080 --> 02:25:45,090
have no choice but to judge people who

2861
02:25:49,970 --> 02:25:48,090
are dangerous to others but the amount

2862
02:25:53,210 --> 02:25:49,980
of judging that we do of others is

2863
02:25:54,620 --> 02:25:53,220
really very excessive we can't know the

2864
02:25:59,450 --> 02:25:54,630
secrets of the human heart

2865
02:26:01,370 --> 02:25:59,460
not even our own very often and you know

2866
02:26:05,000 --> 02:26:01,380
we judge one person that will he's no

2867
02:26:05,961 --> 02:26:05,010
good or she's stupid or he's a Garrigan

2868
02:26:09,350 --> 02:26:05,971
genius or he's

2869
02:26:11,480 --> 02:26:09,360
[\h__\h] there whatever else right and you

2870
02:26:15,230 --> 02:26:11,490
know you you you have to look past all

2871
02:26:18,171 --> 02:26:15,240
of that and then you're free and and you

2872
02:26:22,041 --> 02:26:18,181
also people change completely in your

2873
02:26:24,801 --> 02:26:22,051
eyes people you thought were you you you

2874
02:26:27,770 --> 02:26:24,811
had judgments about if you just forget

2875
02:26:31,041 --> 02:26:27,780
all of that then you see them before you

2876
02:26:33,640 --> 02:26:31,051
very much as they really are just like

2877
02:26:38,180 --> 02:26:33,650
you struggling through life scared

2878
02:26:40,631 --> 02:26:38,190
helpless hopeful full of fear and full

2879
02:26:43,761 --> 02:26:40,641
of joy all mixed up at once and

2880
02:26:47,180 --> 02:26:43,771
wondering who in the world they really

2881
02:26:49,970 --> 02:26:47,190
are and we're all there that's our

2882
02:26:52,310 --> 02:26:49,980
that's home for mankind

2883
02:26:54,501 --> 02:26:52,320
just an amazing conversation tonight

2884
02:26:57,921 --> 02:26:54,511
Whitley the book the new book is the

2885
02:27:01,251 --> 02:26:57,931
afterlife revolution and you can get to

2886
02:27:04,401 --> 02:27:01,261
the book through tributes radio comm you

2887
02:27:05,961 --> 02:27:04,411
can go straight to unknown country and

2888
02:27:07,970 --> 02:27:05,971
Whitley Strieber calm the links are

2889
02:27:11,151 --> 02:27:07,980
right there go and get the book it is a

2890
02:27:12,980 --> 02:27:11,161
fantastic read good amazon together

2891
02:27:15,261 --> 02:27:12,990
there it is yeah and we have those links

2892
02:27:18,861 --> 02:27:15,271
up too as well but really question is

2893
02:27:21,831 --> 02:27:18,871
this we've got one minute what is the

2894
02:27:24,680 --> 02:27:21,841
next book what are you working on oh I

2895
02:27:28,730 --> 02:27:24,690
have no idea yeah that's an honest

2896
02:27:32,060 --> 02:27:28,740
answer yeah no idea it'll come or it

2897
02:27:33,411 --> 02:27:32,070
won't I never worry about that and I've

2898
02:27:39,020 --> 02:27:33,421
got a lot of things that are floating

2899
02:27:42,711 --> 02:27:39,030
around in my head I science fiction I

2900
02:27:44,810 --> 02:27:42,721
don't know I I really don't know I

2901
02:27:47,270 --> 02:27:44,820
there's a lot of things as I say that

2902
02:27:49,911 --> 02:27:47,280
float around in my head I have a feeling

2903
02:27:52,011 --> 02:27:49,921
that maybe a nice finished writing books

2904
02:27:53,121 --> 02:27:52,021
I don't know but if she's not I'll hear

2905
02:27:55,371 --> 02:27:53,131
from her sooner or later

2906
02:27:56,961 --> 02:27:55,381
and there'll be something coming along

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the pike along those lines

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what are the visitors I mean anything

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can happen in my life anything usually

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does

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thank you so much and the next time on

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the show we are going to do an ant's

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diary evening and I look I'm doing it

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for myself but I want you to come along

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and do it with big can you do that

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yeah we did the next book is going to be

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in story we we have to we absolutely

2918
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have to do it thank you so much Whitley

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be safe out there and we'll talk over

2920
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the next couple of days

2921
02:28:34,260 --> 02:28:31,810
thank you thank you Whitley Strieber

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everybody again the links for everything

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are over at Jimmy Church radio.com the

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afterlife

2925
02:28:44,550 --> 02:28:42,310
revolution it is an amazing read all

2926
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right I'm gonna depart here for a couple

2927
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of minutes I'll come back and open up

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the phone lines Thank You Whitley

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this is fade to black I'll be right back

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3009
02:33:20,540 --> 02:33:17,250
right I'm your host Jimmy Church Thank

3010
02:33:23,330 --> 02:33:20,550
You Whitley the book the afterlife

3011
02:33:26,240 --> 02:33:23,340
revolution it is it's an amazing read I

3012
02:33:31,370 --> 02:33:26,250
am Telling You I went page after page

3013
02:33:34,490 --> 02:33:31,380
after page after page and when I had

3014
02:33:37,610 --> 02:33:34,500
mentioned in my opening stuff here on

3015
02:33:39,410 --> 02:33:37,620
the show tonight there were you know I

3016
02:33:42,261 --> 02:33:39,420
can I can look back and look at these

3017
02:33:46,580 --> 02:33:42,271
you know these specific moments where I

3018
02:33:50,001 --> 02:33:46,590
just things changed right and and I

3019
02:33:52,280 --> 02:33:50,011
realize that even though I listed some

3020
02:33:54,640 --> 02:33:52,290
pretty elemental things like they'd seem

3021
02:33:59,211 --> 02:33:54,650
like basics but if you if you go back in

3022
02:34:01,430 --> 02:33:59,221
to those points in history where were

3023
02:34:03,080 --> 02:34:01,440
these these things were exposed to us I

3024
02:34:07,881 --> 02:34:03,090
think we all went through those same

3025
02:34:11,511 --> 02:34:07,891
things and but to have Willie for me pop

3026
02:34:13,490 --> 02:34:11,521
up three times on that list was was

3027
02:34:17,200 --> 02:34:13,500
pretty amazing and that's what this this

3028
02:34:21,350 --> 02:34:17,210
book has done for me this week it's just

3029
02:34:24,650 --> 02:34:21,360
allowed me to just sit back and and and

3030
02:34:28,040 --> 02:34:24,660
take a look at things it's a very very

3031
02:34:32,810 --> 02:34:28,050
very insightful read so the afterlife

3032
02:34:36,171 --> 02:34:32,820
revolutions now there was something that

3033
02:34:38,001 --> 02:34:36,181
popped up here and and I sort of brought

3034
02:34:40,910 --> 02:34:38,011
it up but I want to I actually want to

3035
02:34:42,530 --> 02:34:40,920
address this oh if you're on hold stay

3036
02:34:44,240 --> 02:34:42,540
right there I'm gonna get to you three

3037
02:34:46,671 --> 02:34:44,250
two three eight to five five zero four

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five or three two three two seven five

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02:34:49,790 --> 02:34:48,450
nine six nine five phone lines are open

3040
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and if you're on hold see right there

3041
02:35:00,230 --> 02:34:52,200
I'll get to you in just a second it was

3042
02:35:07,610 --> 02:35:00,240
about pets in reincarnation we have we

3043
02:35:11,410 --> 02:35:07,620
do we have for dogs and hogs are an

3044
02:35:16,970 --> 02:35:11,420
interesting situation

3045
02:35:20,150 --> 02:35:16,980
because you have a relationship as a pet

3046
02:35:21,680 --> 02:35:20,160
owner to you you know our furry brothers

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02:35:22,011 --> 02:35:21,690
and sisters right you have this direct

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02:35:25,881 --> 02:35:22,021
kin

3049
02:35:27,410 --> 02:35:25,891
but there is I am serious too

3050
02:35:33,470 --> 02:35:27,420
I don't want to sound like some crazy

3051
02:35:36,830 --> 02:35:33,480
you know person here but it's true

3052
02:35:40,160 --> 02:35:36,840
our dog Portia from the moment that we

3053
02:35:43,430 --> 02:35:40,170
brought her home she was a rescue she

3054
02:35:46,520 --> 02:35:43,440
had these eyes right and she and and but

3055
02:35:49,131 --> 02:35:46,530
anyway she would look deep into some

3056
02:35:51,410 --> 02:35:49,141
dogs won't do that right but Shu and she

3057
02:35:53,720 --> 02:35:51,420
would just stare into your eye and would

3058
02:35:57,230 --> 02:35:53,730
you you know it's you know you've had a

3059
02:35:59,841 --> 02:35:57,240
staring contest well you couldn't you

3060
02:36:02,350 --> 02:35:59,851
would lose with Porsha's she would she

3061
02:36:07,011 --> 02:36:02,360
would continue to look into your eyes

3062
02:36:10,610 --> 02:36:07,021
anyway I talked Portia to talk when she

3063
02:36:15,320 --> 02:36:10,620
was a puppy and now and it got out of

3064
02:36:19,341 --> 02:36:15,330
control because now now she talks talks

3065
02:36:22,250 --> 02:36:19,351
right she talks she modulates she talks

3066
02:36:24,261 --> 02:36:22,260
and she expresses herself and she will

3067
02:36:29,930 --> 02:36:24,271
literally look at you and and start

3068
02:36:31,900 --> 02:36:29,940
talking and and I'm I have asked her you

3069
02:36:35,270 --> 02:36:31,910
know who who are you

3070
02:36:41,020 --> 02:36:35,280
you know there's something there and I'm

3071
02:36:43,310 --> 02:36:41,030
just I'm wondering if if if she

3072
02:36:45,171 --> 02:36:43,320
understands everything she's trying to

3073
02:36:48,200 --> 02:36:45,181
express she's trying to tell me things

3074
02:36:51,381 --> 02:36:48,210
you know and and it's a fascinating

3075
02:36:55,330 --> 02:36:51,391
thing to observe so you have to just

3076
02:36:58,580 --> 02:36:55,340
step step back and ask yourself is this

3077
02:37:01,970 --> 02:36:58,590
somebody that is reincarnated into this

3078
02:37:05,000 --> 02:37:01,980
beautiful dog and now who understands

3079
02:37:07,790 --> 02:37:05,010
everything understands humans and

3080
02:37:11,690 --> 02:37:07,800
understands technology and understands

3081
02:37:15,051 --> 02:37:11,700
words and things and and they're trying

3082
02:37:17,690 --> 02:37:15,061
to talk they're trying to you know that

3083
02:37:20,480 --> 02:37:17,700
because when she looks at me I'm telling

3084
02:37:22,390 --> 02:37:20,490
you she understands everything that I'm

3085
02:37:25,280 --> 02:37:22,400
thinking and everything that I'm saying

3086
02:37:28,150 --> 02:37:25,290
what I want to do she needs something

3087
02:37:32,841 --> 02:37:28,160
she will tell me shoe of whatever it is

3088
02:37:34,671 --> 02:37:32,851
it's fascinating and now we have teddy

3089
02:37:36,350 --> 02:37:34,681
teddy

3090
02:37:38,560 --> 02:37:36,360
I wish i

3091
02:37:42,640 --> 02:37:38,570
could bring all of you over to the house

3092
02:37:46,610 --> 02:37:42,650
and just hang out and watch Teddy talk

3093
02:37:48,831 --> 02:37:46,620
because Teddy talks and he does not stop

3094
02:37:51,200 --> 02:37:48,841
I understand everything that he is

3095
02:37:54,560 --> 02:37:51,210
saying I'm when I say talk he literally

3096
02:37:55,070 --> 02:37:54,570
is talking there's something going on

3097
02:38:04,671 --> 02:37:55,080
there

3098
02:38:06,921 --> 02:38:04,681
don't I don't care if I sound strange I

3099
02:38:09,470 --> 02:38:06,931
don't care you guys can tell me I'm

3100
02:38:12,291 --> 02:38:09,480
strange and I'm weird but there's

3101
02:38:15,320 --> 02:38:12,301
something going on with with dogs I

3102
02:38:19,820 --> 02:38:15,330
don't know with with with monkeys or

3103
02:38:22,581 --> 02:38:19,830
dolphins or cats or horses I don't know

3104
02:38:25,511 --> 02:38:22,591
I can't I can I'm not but there's

3105
02:38:30,501 --> 02:38:25,521
something special going on with dogs

3106
02:38:32,211 --> 02:38:30,511
100% we posted a video probably I don't

3107
02:38:36,410 --> 02:38:32,221
even know where this is on the internet

3108
02:38:37,730 --> 02:38:36,420
now I've got a couple of old YouTube

3109
02:38:39,110 --> 02:38:37,740
channels out there I don't even know if

3110
02:38:42,320 --> 02:38:39,120
they're still up or they've been pulled

3111
02:38:45,860 --> 02:38:42,330
down or whatever but we posted a video

3112
02:38:48,501 --> 02:38:45,870
of a Porsche talking and it's uh it's

3113
02:38:52,640 --> 02:38:48,511
pretty incredible to hear her actually

3114
02:38:54,261 --> 02:38:52,650
talk because she can she talks for real

3115
02:38:57,801 --> 02:38:54,271
let's go to the phones hi you're live on

3116
02:39:00,291 --> 02:38:57,811
fade to black who's calling hey Damien

3117
02:39:03,501 --> 02:39:00,301
from halibut hey Damien from Hamilton

3118
02:39:05,961 --> 02:39:03,511
how are you man I'm doing well Jamie and

3119
02:39:09,320 --> 02:39:05,971
you know what strange and weird that's

3120
02:39:10,190 --> 02:39:09,330
just you not to worry about being

3121
02:39:16,011 --> 02:39:10,200
strange or weird

3122
02:39:19,581 --> 02:39:16,021
hey you know I don't care anymore I let

3123
02:39:24,171 --> 02:39:19,591
that one go a long time ago oh yeah but

3124
02:39:27,011 --> 02:39:24,181
yeah go ahead yeah and I shout out to

3125
02:39:29,211 --> 02:39:27,021
real hope she's having fun out there

3126
02:39:33,081 --> 02:39:29,221
positive thoughts for everybody right

3127
02:39:35,870 --> 02:39:33,091
look Jamie these are exciting times feel

3128
02:39:37,791 --> 02:39:35,880
like I've been saying that the big

3129
02:39:41,530 --> 02:39:37,801
changes that are coming I can know it's

3130
02:39:44,381 --> 02:39:41,540
already happening I know they're still

3131
02:39:47,780 --> 02:39:44,391
crazy stuff going around the world but

3132
02:39:50,270 --> 02:39:47,790
we are I can feel it I know you can and

3133
02:39:52,040 --> 02:39:50,280
I can sense it in

3134
02:39:53,720 --> 02:39:52,050
oh the failure Nozick all in and not

3135
02:39:57,801 --> 02:39:53,730
just a failure so everybody around the

3136
02:39:59,421 --> 02:39:57,811
world who Jesus we're gonna we're gonna

3137
02:40:01,220 --> 02:39:59,431
unite him and we're gonna come out of

3138
02:40:04,011 --> 02:40:01,230
this and these are really started fires

3139
02:40:05,660 --> 02:40:04,021
up really excited when I can feel I can

3140
02:40:06,980 --> 02:40:05,670
see it and I can feel it Jimmy

3141
02:40:09,551 --> 02:40:06,990
what would you think about the

3142
02:40:13,790 --> 02:40:09,561
conversation tonight with Whitley Oh

3143
02:40:16,700 --> 02:40:13,800
every time he's on on on on your soul

3144
02:40:19,671 --> 02:40:16,710
Jimmy he he's one of us you know and I

3145
02:40:21,860 --> 02:40:19,681
know he's been through he's probably

3146
02:40:24,051 --> 02:40:21,870
listening right now and even though I

3147
02:40:25,580 --> 02:40:24,061
have not been exactly to the same

3148
02:40:27,381 --> 02:40:25,590
situations he's been through or

3149
02:40:30,261 --> 02:40:27,391
experienced some other stuff he's been

3150
02:40:32,360 --> 02:40:30,271
experiencing that has experience but in

3151
02:40:35,091 --> 02:40:32,370
a way I know where he's coming from

3152
02:40:39,261 --> 02:40:35,101
I can feel it I can sense it in his

3153
02:40:42,830 --> 02:40:39,271
voice I believe everything that he says

3154
02:40:46,990 --> 02:40:42,840
and it just it's you know it's I open

3155
02:40:49,761 --> 02:40:47,000
and it's everything that we're about you

3156
02:40:52,131 --> 02:40:49,771
and thank you for recognizing that and I

3157
02:40:53,540 --> 02:40:52,141
hope he is listening right now Damian

3158
02:40:56,240 --> 02:40:53,550
and have a great night we'll see you

3159
02:40:58,520 --> 02:40:56,250
tomorrow night on fader night all right

3160
02:41:01,640 --> 02:40:58,530
take care of positive thoughts later not

3161
02:41:02,390 --> 02:41:01,650
hey let's drive on forward and everybody

3162
02:41:05,091 --> 02:41:02,400
have a good night

3163
02:41:06,320 --> 02:41:05,101
you can Thank You Damian great great

3164
02:41:08,540 --> 02:41:06,330
phone call right there

3165
02:41:12,620 --> 02:41:08,550
hi you're live on fade to black who's

3166
02:41:20,211 --> 02:41:12,630
calling Josh hey Josh

3167
02:41:23,990 --> 02:41:20,221
which Josh Joshua which Joshua do you

3168
02:41:25,881 --> 02:41:24,000
know how many Joshua's I know oh I've

3169
02:41:32,030 --> 02:41:25,891
never called any for that I'm just

3170
02:41:34,360 --> 02:41:32,040
messing with you man how are you I'm

3171
02:41:36,140 --> 02:41:34,370
doing good man where you calling in from

3172
02:41:41,810 --> 02:41:36,150
California okay

3173
02:41:45,290 --> 02:41:41,820
Northern California how far north area

3174
02:41:47,390 --> 02:41:45,300
okay all right that's mid that's mid

3175
02:41:49,961 --> 02:41:47,400
California you know what's weird yeah

3176
02:41:53,990 --> 02:41:49,971
and you know this being from that area

3177
02:41:55,761 --> 02:41:54,000
people think and especially down here in

3178
02:41:58,761 --> 02:41:55,771
Los Angeles too but around the country

3179
02:42:02,150 --> 02:41:58,771
that San Francisco is at the top of

3180
02:42:03,261 --> 02:42:02,160
California right and you go and you look

3181
02:42:05,150 --> 02:42:03,271
at a map

3182
02:42:09,680 --> 02:42:05,160
and you realize how big California

3183
02:42:14,060 --> 02:42:09,690
really is San Francisco is the halfway

3184
02:42:17,390 --> 02:42:14,070
point you drive for another five days to

3185
02:42:19,661 --> 02:42:17,400
get up to Oregon after that so there you

3186
02:42:21,320 --> 02:42:19,671
go so what's on your mind tonight Joshua

3187
02:42:24,711 --> 02:42:21,330
well you know I

3188
02:42:27,501 --> 02:42:24,721
I've been researching for a long time

3189
02:42:30,470 --> 02:42:27,511
myself and one of the things I used to

3190
02:42:33,110 --> 02:42:30,480
look into a lot was the ancient aliens

3191
02:42:36,560 --> 02:42:33,120
and this is I kind of become a big talk

3192
02:42:39,350 --> 02:42:36,570
these days and you know I also studied a

3193
02:42:40,940 --> 02:42:39,360
lot about comparative religion and stuff

3194
02:42:44,470 --> 02:42:40,950
and kind of started out with Jordan

3195
02:42:47,511 --> 02:42:44,480
Maxwell a long long long time ago and

3196
02:42:49,100 --> 02:42:47,521
Bill Cooper and some of the old you know

3197
02:42:51,951 --> 02:42:49,110
people who used to talk about the roots

3198
02:42:53,451 --> 02:42:51,961
of religion and you know I kind of

3199
02:42:55,070 --> 02:42:53,461
followed through all these years and

3200
02:42:57,320 --> 02:42:55,080
I've just been reading and reading and

3201
02:42:58,850 --> 02:42:57,330
learning and learning and nowadays I

3202
02:43:01,161 --> 02:42:58,860
hear a lot of people talking about a lot

3203
02:43:02,720 --> 02:43:01,171
of stuff that you know just basically

3204
02:43:05,241 --> 02:43:02,730
based on my knowledge and research

3205
02:43:07,131 --> 02:43:05,251
doesn't make much sense and I want to

3206
02:43:08,511 --> 02:43:07,141
you know I thought I'd share some of

3207
02:43:13,730 --> 02:43:08,521
that with you sure go ahead

3208
02:43:15,890 --> 02:43:13,740
I'd love to hear it well people talk

3209
02:43:19,041 --> 02:43:15,900
about the Nephilim and they talk about

3210
02:43:22,041 --> 02:43:19,051
the Watchers they talk about uh you know

3211
02:43:24,730 --> 02:43:22,051
the the Anunnaki and a lot of this stuff

3212
02:43:27,860 --> 02:43:24,740
started with the zecharia sitchin and

3213
02:43:29,421 --> 02:43:27,870
yeah I don't know if it was maybe even

3214
02:43:32,900 --> 02:43:29,431
right around the same time or a little

3215
02:43:36,591 --> 02:43:32,910
bit before him there was a an author

3216
02:43:38,930 --> 02:43:36,601
named boule I don't know if you ever

3217
02:43:42,161 --> 02:43:38,940
heard of him ra Blaine you note a book

3218
02:43:46,251 --> 02:43:42,171
called flying serpents and Dragons yep

3219
02:43:47,841 --> 02:43:46,261
yeah and so he another thing that I've

3220
02:43:50,810 --> 02:43:47,851
been looking into is all this reptilian

3221
02:43:53,331 --> 02:43:50,820
stuff and you know aliens and done a lot

3222
02:43:55,400 --> 02:43:53,341
of UFO research and I don't have an

3223
02:43:57,470 --> 02:43:55,410
absolute opinion on e of that stuff but

3224
02:44:00,011 --> 02:43:57,480
I do have a strong opinion on the

3225
02:44:04,610 --> 02:44:00,021
ancient aliens material and that

3226
02:44:08,390 --> 02:44:04,620
basically you know I I don't believe any

3227
02:44:11,961 --> 02:44:08,400
of it anymore and I kind of questioned

3228
02:44:14,030 --> 02:44:11,971
the fact that I found out that zecharia

3229
02:44:16,640 --> 02:44:14,040
sitchin had gotten funding from Laurance

3230
02:44:18,921 --> 02:44:16,650
Rockefeller and

3231
02:44:22,940 --> 02:44:18,931
I think that there's a new religion

3232
02:44:25,640 --> 02:44:22,950
being created by people behind the

3233
02:44:27,711 --> 02:44:25,650
scenes and I think that some of them are

3234
02:44:29,720 --> 02:44:27,721
doing it deliberately and maybe some of

3235
02:44:32,450 --> 02:44:29,730
them are just have no idea and they're

3236
02:44:35,600 --> 02:44:32,460
very sincere I'm sure there's a lot of

3237
02:44:38,530 --> 02:44:35,610
them out there too but um a lot of this

3238
02:44:43,070 --> 02:44:38,540
really goes back to fertility and

3239
02:44:45,470 --> 02:44:43,080
astrology and roots in the goddess

3240
02:44:50,631 --> 02:44:45,480
religion of the old worlds and

3241
02:44:54,320 --> 02:44:50,641
prehistoric era these symbols are you

3242
02:44:56,780 --> 02:44:54,330
know a lot of people talk about that you

3243
02:44:59,240 --> 02:44:56,790
know serpents and things like that they

3244
02:45:01,280 --> 02:44:59,250
find along with these you know all of

3245
02:45:06,761 --> 02:45:01,290
this has symbolism that goes back to

3246
02:45:10,400 --> 02:45:06,771
fertility and eggs and the Sun and rain

3247
02:45:12,140 --> 02:45:10,410
the Father God was was was considered

3248
02:45:14,720 --> 02:45:12,150
the Thunder and the lightning and the

3249
02:45:18,430 --> 02:45:14,730
rain that fertilized the mother earth

3250
02:45:22,490 --> 02:45:18,440
which was the womb which gave birth to

3251
02:45:25,100 --> 02:45:22,500
animals and mankind and you know when

3252
02:45:29,390 --> 02:45:25,110
they say that the sons of God met the

3253
02:45:31,341 --> 02:45:29,400
you know the sons of God found the

3254
02:45:34,190 --> 02:45:31,351
daughters of man to be fair and

3255
02:45:36,261 --> 02:45:34,200
beautiful and married with them and had

3256
02:45:38,480 --> 02:45:36,271
offspring and so forth what they're

3257
02:45:40,310 --> 02:45:38,490
basically saying is that the heavens and

3258
02:45:43,100 --> 02:45:40,320
the rain and the god up in the heavens

3259
02:45:45,921 --> 02:45:43,110
had made it you know that poured

3260
02:45:47,600 --> 02:45:45,931
showered down rain and fertilizing rain

3261
02:45:50,030 --> 02:45:47,610
down onto the earth and caused the

3262
02:45:54,020 --> 02:45:50,040
plants and the crops to grow and the

3263
02:45:56,990 --> 02:45:54,030
animals and mankind to breed on the

3264
02:45:59,600 --> 02:45:57,000
earth and this has been misinterpreted

3265
02:46:01,490 --> 02:45:59,610
by these people and as far as a Cariah

3266
02:46:04,581 --> 02:46:01,500
stitching goes I can say he's done it

3267
02:46:06,740 --> 02:46:04,591
absolutely deliberately but I don't know

3268
02:46:07,131 --> 02:46:06,750
about some of the other folks that are

3269
02:46:10,360 --> 02:46:07,141
out there

3270
02:46:15,801 --> 02:46:10,370
I just want well let me jump in there

3271
02:46:21,051 --> 02:46:15,811
really quick the the thing is when we

3272
02:46:26,360 --> 02:46:21,061
look at any of this ancient text ain't

3273
02:46:30,260 --> 02:46:26,370
ancient mythology legend folklore the

3274
02:46:32,830 --> 02:46:30,270
Bible any of the Egyptian

3275
02:46:36,319 --> 02:46:32,840
hieroglyphs and stories and papyrus the

3276
02:46:40,370 --> 02:46:36,329
Sumerian text any Dead Sea Scrolls we

3277
02:46:43,849 --> 02:46:40,380
can continue on all of the in the the

3278
02:46:46,189 --> 02:46:43,859
text from India and Asia look at all of

3279
02:46:47,300 --> 02:46:46,199
those texts all of those predated

3280
02:46:50,029 --> 02:46:47,310
rockefeller

3281
02:46:52,729 --> 02:46:50,039
first off the second thing is it all

3282
02:46:55,399 --> 02:46:52,739
predated Sitchin by a longshot

3283
02:46:58,219 --> 02:46:55,409
by thousands of years and the third

3284
02:47:02,210 --> 02:46:58,229
thing is all of those texts just like

3285
02:47:05,689 --> 02:47:02,220
the way that you just interpreted it you

3286
02:47:08,929 --> 02:47:05,699
can interpret any way that you wish you

3287
02:47:10,460 --> 02:47:08,939
can go and read I have read I have I

3288
02:47:13,370 --> 02:47:10,470
hate it when people say I've read the

3289
02:47:16,639 --> 02:47:13,380
Bible but I have right and I've read the

3290
02:47:20,599 --> 02:47:16,649
Bible as a novel as a work of fiction

3291
02:47:22,849 --> 02:47:20,609
I looked at it in that with that set of

3292
02:47:24,679 --> 02:47:22,859
eyes just to read it as a story so I

3293
02:47:26,479 --> 02:47:24,689
understood what everybody else was

3294
02:47:28,490 --> 02:47:26,489
talking about so I could say that I've

3295
02:47:35,179 --> 02:47:28,500
read the Bible and I go and I and and

3296
02:47:37,250 --> 02:47:35,189
when I read it I differed visions from

3297
02:47:39,679 --> 02:47:37,260
what everybody else is interpreted and

3298
02:47:42,349 --> 02:47:39,689
when you look at the Sumerian text or

3299
02:47:44,929 --> 02:47:42,359
you look at the Old Testament and you

3300
02:47:49,969 --> 02:47:44,939
read some of these things it could be

3301
02:47:54,410 --> 02:47:49,979
interpreted any way including yours so

3302
02:47:55,910 --> 02:47:54,420
okay we understand what I'm saying right

3303
02:47:59,149 --> 02:47:55,920
oh I totally do

3304
02:48:00,979 --> 02:47:59,159
I totally do I I'm not disputing any of

3305
02:48:03,740 --> 02:48:00,989
that and I'm not saying that this that

3306
02:48:08,029 --> 02:48:03,750
you know I have read many of these texts

3307
02:48:11,599 --> 02:48:08,039
but now Hammadi library the Sumerian

3308
02:48:14,899 --> 02:48:11,609
text the Babylonian fax a lot of these

3309
02:48:18,260 --> 02:48:14,909
texts exists and they're out there when

3310
02:48:20,899 --> 02:48:18,270
when Zach or aya Sitchin interpreted

3311
02:48:22,819 --> 02:48:20,909
them there's nobody else out there that

3312
02:48:25,550 --> 02:48:22,829
agrees that his interpretations were

3313
02:48:28,040 --> 02:48:25,560
were actually accurate well that's the

3314
02:48:29,660 --> 02:48:28,050
people who the people that wish to be

3315
02:48:32,779 --> 02:48:29,670
pleased the people who actually have

3316
02:48:34,670 --> 02:48:32,789
done all of these interpretations the

3317
02:48:36,740 --> 02:48:34,680
interpretations exist out there and

3318
02:48:39,769 --> 02:48:36,750
there are legitimate people who have

3319
02:48:41,840 --> 02:48:39,779
done research on mythology and priests

3320
02:48:43,940 --> 02:48:41,850
civilization that can tell you what

3321
02:48:47,030 --> 02:48:43,950
these original stories were all talking

3322
02:48:51,140 --> 02:48:47,040
about like Joseph Campbell or Marie

3323
02:48:53,870 --> 02:48:51,150
higuma bodice can boot us you know when

3324
02:48:56,450 --> 02:48:53,880
she writes about the goddess and Joseph

3325
02:48:58,790 --> 02:48:56,460
Campbell writes about mythology all of

3326
02:49:02,330 --> 02:48:58,800
this stuff was clearly explained and

3327
02:49:04,520 --> 02:49:02,340
there was no room for this kind of

3328
02:49:07,011 --> 02:49:04,530
interpretation to say it was ancient

3329
02:49:07,910 --> 02:49:07,021
aliens or astronauts or anything like

3330
02:49:12,830 --> 02:49:07,920
that

3331
02:49:15,560 --> 02:49:12,840
truly understand the history of these

3332
02:49:18,801 --> 02:49:15,570
myths the myths are all about the sacred

3333
02:49:21,230 --> 02:49:18,811
marriage this marriage was with I got a

3334
02:49:24,921 --> 02:49:21,240
I got a disagree with you and there and

3335
02:49:27,530 --> 02:49:24,931
I'm not disagreeing with you on your

3336
02:49:31,070 --> 02:49:27,540
views or your views of Joseph Campbell

3337
02:49:34,310 --> 02:49:31,080
or anybody else but I can tell you right

3338
02:49:37,600 --> 02:49:34,320
now that there are probably walking on

3339
02:49:41,480 --> 02:49:37,610
this planet right now eight people eight

3340
02:49:45,410 --> 02:49:41,490
not ten eight that can read Sumerian

3341
02:49:48,410 --> 02:49:45,420
text and out of those eight that none of

3342
02:49:53,150 --> 02:49:48,420
those I'm talking about actually reading

3343
02:49:55,900 --> 02:49:53,160
it Joseph Campbell couldn't sit and read

3344
02:49:58,280 --> 02:49:55,910
his version of it and out of those eight

3345
02:50:01,310 --> 02:49:58,290
none of those eight will agree with each

3346
02:50:03,230 --> 02:50:01,320
other now I'm not talking about ten

3347
02:50:05,511 --> 02:50:03,240
thousand people that can read Sumerian

3348
02:50:08,210 --> 02:50:05,521
tax I'm talking about eight and they

3349
02:50:10,970 --> 02:50:08,220
will not agree with each other so to say

3350
02:50:15,290 --> 02:50:10,980
that somebody disagrees with Sitchin

3351
02:50:18,410 --> 02:50:15,300
everybody does Jimmy but Jimmy these are

3352
02:50:21,860 --> 02:50:18,420
their these are only about maybe a

3353
02:50:24,830 --> 02:50:21,870
couple dozen or so or maybe a few more

3354
02:50:27,830 --> 02:50:24,840
maybe you know several dozen of these

3355
02:50:30,680 --> 02:50:27,840
stories original stories and the stories

3356
02:50:32,780 --> 02:50:30,690
were just retold in different languages

3357
02:50:34,490 --> 02:50:32,790
in different cultures over and over and

3358
02:50:39,620 --> 02:50:34,500
over again they're the exact same

3359
02:50:42,290 --> 02:50:39,630
stories again I totally I hear you and I

3360
02:50:46,850 --> 02:50:42,300
understand you but I'll give you another

3361
02:50:50,540 --> 02:50:46,860
example tell me right now that everybody

3362
02:50:55,640 --> 02:50:50,550
on this planet interprets the King James

3363
02:50:56,450 --> 02:50:55,650
Bible exactly the same way they do they

3364
02:51:04,010 --> 02:50:56,460
do

3365
02:51:08,420 --> 02:51:04,020
give you a better example than that Star

3366
02:51:11,150 --> 02:51:08,430
Wars Star Wars man you're not gonna get

3367
02:51:13,460 --> 02:51:11,160
ten people in the room to agree on what

3368
02:51:16,640 --> 02:51:13,470
Star Wars means and that includes Joseph

3369
02:51:19,310 --> 02:51:16,650
Campbell if there was an original if

3370
02:51:21,740 --> 02:51:19,320
there was an original story that Star

3371
02:51:23,660 --> 02:51:21,750
Wars was based on and people had studied

3372
02:51:26,960 --> 02:51:23,670
it I'm sure they would all agree about

3373
02:51:29,630 --> 02:51:26,970
it but the thing is you know that Jesus

3374
02:51:32,330 --> 02:51:29,640
Christ in the New Testament the the you

3375
02:51:34,969 --> 02:51:32,340
know is the dying God it is that it is

3376
02:51:37,070 --> 02:51:34,979
the vegetation god and it's the same God

3377
02:51:39,520 --> 02:51:37,080
that dies in the winter time and is

3378
02:51:42,469 --> 02:51:39,530
resurrected in the springtime we've all

3379
02:51:44,900 --> 02:51:42,479
we've all seen that documentary I get

3380
02:51:49,010 --> 02:51:44,910
that I totally get that and then there's

3381
02:51:52,460 --> 02:51:49,020
the flipside of that it was Jesus even a

3382
02:51:54,860 --> 02:51:52,470
real person you know absolutely not

3383
02:51:56,990 --> 02:51:54,870
okay absolutely not he couldn't have

3384
02:51:59,660 --> 02:51:57,000
been but it's impossible because if

3385
02:52:02,360 --> 02:51:59,670
there was how could a real person the

3386
02:52:04,940 --> 02:52:02,370
mythology that had been told in every

3387
02:52:06,830 --> 02:52:04,950
single culture going back thousands and

3388
02:52:09,380 --> 02:52:06,840
thousands of years predating his

3389
02:52:12,920 --> 02:52:09,390
supposed existence right but there are

3390
02:52:15,380 --> 02:52:12,930
right now on this planet two billion

3391
02:52:18,380 --> 02:52:15,390
people that will tell you that you're

3392
02:52:19,910 --> 02:52:18,390
out of your mind well I will tell you

3393
02:52:22,130 --> 02:52:19,920
they're all out of their mind because

3394
02:52:24,110 --> 02:52:22,140
they believe in fairy tales that's might

3395
02:52:26,630 --> 02:52:24,120
as well believe in the tooth fairy or a

3396
02:52:29,450 --> 02:52:26,640
Casper to go and you are entitled to

3397
02:52:32,300 --> 02:52:29,460
that opinion it's that that's what makes

3398
02:52:34,400 --> 02:52:32,310
this world a great place my friend well

3399
02:52:36,050 --> 02:52:34,410
I thank you for sure it for allowing me

3400
02:52:36,230 --> 02:52:36,060
to share it and thank you for having me

3401
02:52:38,690 --> 02:52:36,240
on

3402
02:52:41,870 --> 02:52:38,700
absolutely man have a great night Joshua

3403
02:52:44,860 --> 02:52:41,880
don't be a sorry I think I I won't thank

3404
02:52:47,030 --> 02:52:44,870
you very much you got it you got it and

3405
02:52:49,310 --> 02:52:47,040
you know that's that's a great phone

3406
02:52:49,790 --> 02:52:49,320
call that's a great phone call right

3407
02:52:53,030 --> 02:52:49,800
there

3408
02:52:57,170 --> 02:52:53,040
it's it is an amazing thing

3409
02:53:00,200 --> 02:52:57,180
that all of this all of this if we if we

3410
02:53:03,020 --> 02:53:00,210
go and we look at anything it doesn't

3411
02:53:07,790 --> 02:53:03,030
matter what it is we can and I do this

3412
02:53:11,270 --> 02:53:07,800
all the time you can go and and read or

3413
02:53:13,820 --> 02:53:11,280
watch a movie read a book

3414
02:53:17,170 --> 02:53:13,830
watch a documentary and then go back and

3415
02:53:20,570 --> 02:53:17,180
watch it a second time and then

3416
02:53:22,120 --> 02:53:20,580
absolutely not like I advised all the

3417
02:53:26,440 --> 02:53:22,130
time to do with the news or whatever

3418
02:53:29,179 --> 02:53:26,450
then take a 180-degree view of that

3419
02:53:31,130 --> 02:53:29,189
that's all you got to do just go okay

3420
02:53:34,190 --> 02:53:31,140
yeah I'm hip I understand all of this

3421
02:53:37,190 --> 02:53:34,200
and I get it and I'm with this but then

3422
02:53:43,010 --> 02:53:37,200
pull yourself back and look at the same

3423
02:53:44,870 --> 02:53:43,020
exact movie book and go 180 degrees in

3424
02:53:49,040 --> 02:53:44,880
the other direction and you can still

3425
02:53:52,700 --> 02:53:49,050
understand it you can you can look at it

3426
02:53:53,890 --> 02:53:52,710
another way and that's why nobody will

3427
02:53:56,929 --> 02:53:53,900
agree on anything

3428
02:53:58,790 --> 02:53:56,939
people see what see what they want to

3429
02:54:00,500 --> 02:53:58,800
see people hear what they want to hear

3430
02:54:03,590 --> 02:54:00,510
people believe what they want to believe

3431
02:54:06,980 --> 02:54:03,600
and and they go down that life's path I

3432
02:54:08,719 --> 02:54:06,990
was in a very good friend of mine I'm

3433
02:54:12,860 --> 02:54:08,729
just gonna tell you his first name his

3434
02:54:15,740 --> 02:54:12,870
name is Lane Lane and I were and he's a

3435
02:54:18,050 --> 02:54:15,750
cool dude great musician cool guy and

3436
02:54:21,469 --> 02:54:18,060
we're in New York we're in Manhattan and

3437
02:54:24,710 --> 02:54:21,479
in the wintertime and we go to this

3438
02:54:26,570 --> 02:54:24,720
pizza place and up it had a loft and so

3439
02:54:28,310 --> 02:54:26,580
we go up we'd grab some pizza and grab

3440
02:54:30,290 --> 02:54:28,320
whatever beer whatever and we go

3441
02:54:31,969 --> 02:54:30,300
upstairs and we're sitting in this loft

3442
02:54:35,300 --> 02:54:31,979
and we and we kick it now he's a

3443
02:54:37,960 --> 02:54:35,310
religious guy and we sit and we start

3444
02:54:41,290 --> 02:54:37,970
talking this is probably 20 years ago

3445
02:54:45,520 --> 02:54:41,300
we started talking and he tells me

3446
02:54:52,719 --> 02:54:45,530
straight into my eyeballs that God

3447
02:54:57,410 --> 02:54:52,729
created dinosaur bones to test our faith

3448
02:54:59,480 --> 02:54:57,420
right it's like excuse me yeah man earth

3449
02:55:02,630 --> 02:54:59,490
is 6,000 years old man that's it there's

3450
02:55:06,770 --> 02:55:02,640
nothing older on this planet I'm like

3451
02:55:08,330 --> 02:55:06,780
wait a minute here dinosaur bones 65

3452
02:55:10,520 --> 02:55:08,340
million years old because no they're not

3453
02:55:14,540 --> 02:55:10,530
no there's six thousand years old but

3454
02:55:20,150 --> 02:55:14,550
God makes him appear to be 65 million

3455
02:55:21,920 --> 02:55:20,160
years old to test our faith dude

3456
02:55:23,240 --> 02:55:21,930
you're one of the smartest people that I

3457
02:55:24,099 --> 02:55:23,250
know you're one of the funniest people

3458
02:55:26,229 --> 02:55:24,109
that I know I

3459
02:55:28,599 --> 02:55:26,239
love hanging out with you but you're

3460
02:55:31,420 --> 02:55:28,609
talking like a crazy person right now no

3461
02:55:34,359 --> 02:55:31,430
it's just that's just the way that it is

3462
02:55:35,679 --> 02:55:34,369
and that's what he and and you know what

3463
02:55:38,409 --> 02:55:35,689
I'm talking about

3464
02:55:41,710 --> 02:55:38,419
a beautiful person a funny guy a great

3465
02:55:43,239 --> 02:55:41,720
guy loved to this day hanging out with

3466
02:55:48,250 --> 02:55:43,249
him is awesome

3467
02:55:52,269 --> 02:55:48,260
love it but he believes this he really

3468
02:55:54,699 --> 02:55:52,279
does it and and that's that's it you

3469
02:55:57,189 --> 02:55:54,709
know what doesn't change my opinion of

3470
02:56:00,460 --> 02:55:57,199
them and I still love hanging out went

3471
02:56:03,309 --> 02:56:00,470
and that night we sat in that pizza

3472
02:56:07,059 --> 02:56:03,319
parlor god I got to get Lane on this

3473
02:56:10,630 --> 02:56:07,069
show oh man I'm gonna see him next month

3474
02:56:13,420 --> 02:56:10,640
I've got to get him on this show anyway

3475
02:56:14,979 --> 02:56:13,430
we sat there for about five hours that

3476
02:56:16,769 --> 02:56:14,989
night till like two o'clock in the

3477
02:56:20,739 --> 02:56:16,779
morning three o'clock in the morning

3478
02:56:23,409 --> 02:56:20,749
just talking about all of these things

3479
02:56:26,380 --> 02:56:23,419
and it blew my mind we talked about UFOs

3480
02:56:30,989 --> 02:56:26,390
oh man god man yeah beautiful czar real

3481
02:56:39,699 --> 02:56:34,510
everything was to test our faith talked

3482
02:56:43,119 --> 02:56:39,709
about the ark and Noah the watchers the

3483
02:56:47,529 --> 02:56:43,129
Nephilim we talked about Oh everything

3484
02:56:49,689 --> 02:56:47,539
the pyramids foof man and it was

3485
02:56:52,750 --> 02:56:49,699
mind-blowing and for him to say

3486
02:56:56,679 --> 02:56:52,760
something like that that dinosaur bones

3487
02:57:01,090 --> 02:56:56,689
are are here God created that to test

3488
02:57:03,130 --> 02:57:01,100
our faith and and I'm sure there's

3489
02:57:05,830 --> 02:57:03,140
somebody listening right now that

3490
02:57:08,319 --> 02:57:05,840
believes that the earth is 6,000 years

3491
02:57:10,269 --> 02:57:08,329
old fine that's cool that's what you if

3492
02:57:12,340 --> 02:57:10,279
that's what you want to go on that's

3493
02:57:14,979 --> 02:57:12,350
you're entitled to that everybody is

3494
02:57:16,420 --> 02:57:14,989
entitled to their own opinion but that

3495
02:57:17,920 --> 02:57:16,430
are listening to me say this right now

3496
02:57:20,649 --> 02:57:17,930
going yeah yeah pretty much that's

3497
02:57:23,559 --> 02:57:20,659
exactly that's the story Church is

3498
02:57:26,679 --> 02:57:23,569
laying it out there it's uh it's

3499
02:57:29,290 --> 02:57:26,689
unbelievable and that's that's what

3500
02:57:32,769 --> 02:57:29,300
makes this world great everybody we all

3501
02:57:35,649 --> 02:57:32,779
can just sit and talk a collar like that

3502
02:57:37,570 --> 02:57:35,659
with Joshua right to call in i'll talk

3503
02:57:41,650 --> 02:57:37,580
to somebody like that all night

3504
02:57:43,180 --> 02:57:41,660
long all night I love it I love it

3505
02:57:45,610 --> 02:57:43,190
that's the best part of doing this show

3506
02:57:47,680 --> 02:57:45,620
right there and I do want to thank

3507
02:57:51,100 --> 02:57:47,690
Whitley Strieber for coming in tonight

3508
02:57:53,470 --> 02:57:51,110
the afterlife revolution it is an

3509
02:57:56,380 --> 02:57:53,480
amazing book and with that that will

3510
02:57:59,230 --> 02:57:56,390
conclude another episode of fade to

3511
02:58:01,450 --> 02:57:59,240
black right here and now home fade to

3512
02:58:03,520 --> 02:58:01,460
black says uh cue to producer who right

3513
02:58:08,830 --> 02:58:03,530
now is running around somewhere in

3514
02:58:12,030 --> 02:58:08,840
Manhattan with our daughter Dianna is

3515
02:58:14,710 --> 02:58:12,040
Rita Kumari on show us pretty spy

3516
02:58:16,720 --> 02:58:14,720
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3517
02:58:18,551 --> 02:58:16,730
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3518
02:58:21,190 --> 02:58:18,561
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3519
02:58:24,580 --> 02:58:21,200
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3520
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3521
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3522
02:58:33,670 --> 02:58:29,950
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3523
02:58:35,110 --> 02:58:33,680
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3524
02:58:37,570 --> 02:58:35,120
night Jon Rappoport

3525
02:58:40,450 --> 02:58:37,580
right here and his no more fake newsroom

3526
02:58:44,200 --> 02:58:40,460
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3527
02:58:45,430 --> 02:58:44,210
long why it's Thursday night and it's

3528
02:58:47,980 --> 02:58:45,440
fader night

3529
02:58:49,301 --> 02:58:47,990
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3530
02:58:49,810 --> 02:58:49,311
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3531
02:58:51,820 --> 02:58:49,820
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3532
02:58:53,230 --> 02:58:51,830
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3533
02:58:55,240 --> 02:58:53,240
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3534
02:58:57,130 --> 02:58:55,250
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3535
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3536
02:59:02,560 --> 02:58:59,271
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3537
02:59:07,030 --> 02:59:02,570
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3538
02:59:20,520 --> 02:59:07,040
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